Heresy And Marcionite Bible

[reyb]

Okay, that clarifies matters, because clearly we have nothing in common.

 

 

As St. John said:  "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are of God; for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit which does not confess Jesus is not of God. This is the spirit of anti-christ, of which you heard that it was coming, and now it is in the world already."

 

You deny that Christ has come in the flesh, while I accept the teaching enunciated by St. John in his epistle.

 

Of course, Jesus comes in the flesh that is why I said He is not a ghost as it is written in Luke 24:39. But the problem is this, you are trying to tell me that he is the historical Jesus. So, we will go back to square one again.

It is written in Heb 10:5-7
 

Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me ; with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased. Then I said, 'Here I am — it is written about me in the scroll — I have come to do your will, O God.'"  

Who’s body is that? (please see Ps 40:17 and tell me who’s body is prepared for him and who is that one who said 'Here I am'.).

Edited March 4, 2013 by reyb

[reyb]

Hear me Reyb, GOD PUT ON FLESH. God became man. He ate, spat, urinated, defecated, bled, felt pain, and even died.

 

Jesus, called the Christ, became MAN. Do not build some disembodied
spiritualism for yourself when He has revealed Himself. Do not chase
idols, and religious system's of man's devising when "His burden is easy. And His yoke is light."

 

 

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Hear me Reyb, GOD PUT ON FLESH. God became man. He ate, spat, urinated, defecated, bled, felt pain, and even died.
Jesus, called the Christ, became MAN. Do not build some disembodied
spiritualism for yourself when He has revealed Himself. Do not chase
idols, and religious system's of man's devising when "His burden is easy. And His yoke is light."

 

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See that bold letter 'urinated, defecated' can you tell me where is it in the bible?

[Evangetholic]

inherent to being human. do not be silly.

[PhuturePriest]

Fact: I have never completely read one of reyb's posts because they're always so long and make absolutely no sense at all that I lose interest halfway through.

[Evangetholic]

He's actually doing much better.

[Apotheoun]

He's actually doing much better.

Yeah, he's just hung up on the word "historical," but if Christ assumed human nature from the Blessed Theotokos and became man, it follows that He entered into this world and into human history.  Go figure.

[reyb]

inherent to being human. do not be silly.

I understand what you are really saying. Of course, if Jesus is a ‘human being’ then he must have been urinated and defecated like you (or something like that). But I am simply ‘emphasizing’ a fact that your statement regarding â€˜Jesus urinated and defecated’ is not written even in your own bible.

Edited March 5, 2013 by reyb

[Selah]

I read this as, "heresy and McDonald's"

[Evangetholic]

Well you caught me! I say things that aren't in the Bible sometimes.

 

I also think he most likely had curly brown/black hair, brown/green eyes, and olive skin.

 

I would also assume that He and His Mother looked more alike than most other mothers and sons.

[reyb]

inherent to being human. do not be silly.

 

 

I understand what you are really saying. Of course, if Jesus is a ‘human being’ then he must have been urinated and defecated like you (or something like that). But I am simply ‘emphasizing’ a fact that your statement regarding â€˜Jesus urinated and defecated’ is not written even in your own bible.

 

 

Well you caught me! I say things that aren't in the Bible sometimes.

 

I also think he most likely had curly brown/black hair, brown/green eyes, and olive skin.

 

I would also assume that He and His Mother looked more alike than most other mothers and sons.

 

 I consider them  ‘speculative reasoning’ but to insist such ‘thing’ is true then it is already a different story.

It seems these heretics like Docetist, Gnostic-Christians like Marcion, Valentinus and others are also believer of Jesus Christ like Ignatius and his group. But they differ on what kind of ‘body’ this Jesus has. Ignatius believed that Jesus Christ has flesh and blood like a human being but these â€˜heretics’ do not accept it.
 

Thus he (Ignatius) said ‘For I know that after His resurrection also He was still possessed of flesh, and I believe that He is so now. When, for instance, He came to those who were with Peter, He said to them, "Lay hold, handle Me, and see that I am not an incorporeal spirit." and (also in this same letter) ‘not, as certain unbelievers maintain, that He only seemed to suffer, as they themselves only seem to be[Christians]’.  (Please see Letter of Ignatius to Smyrnaens in http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/ignatius-smyrnaeans-roberts.html).

But this is intriguing, if Valentinus do not really believed that Jesus has a ‘body’ why then he believed on this (please see http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/valentinus-e.html)?

 

Edited March 5, 2013 by reyb