Catholic Bibles/translations

[P3chrmd]

Just wanted to know what is your fav. bible translation...I have the New Jerusalem Bible: Saints Devotional Edition...I love it

But I DO wish they would make neat bibles for us like they do protestants..the neat compact italian leather duo tone ones...PROTESTANTS get the works when it comes to their bibles...we often get leftovers! Oh well...when it comes to art and statues we have them beat

[MorphRC]

Pax Iesus

I have the New American Bible. Its a brilliant translation, but Luke 1:28 has been translated as "Hail, O Favoured one" which is a Protestant rendering, which is concerning since it should be translated it "Hail, Full of Grace". This leads me to think that a Protestant was put incharge of this part, and is concerning.

I prefer the Douay-Rheims Version. That is the best and the only English copy that has "Hail, Full of Grace" as far as I know.

Pax Iesus
Paul

[cmotherofpirl]

THe NAB leaves much to be desired.

The Navarre Bible and St Ignatius Bible are excellent faithful translations with wonderful footnotes and excellent articles covering many aspects of the faith.
The St Ignatius is cross-referenced to the OT, the CCC, Church Fathers, and the dogmas of the Church. I am just annoyed the whole thing isn't done yet.

[MorphRC]

Pax Iesus.

The NAB is a lot better than the NJB or JB thats for sure. But if I got offered the DRV for the NAB, I wouldnt think for a second. The footnotes in the NAB are excellent, indepth and very detailed so you fully understand a difficult verse, but it also leaves a lot to be desired towards keeping ones faith. After reading the NAB footnotes I almost had no faith left in me, it was this is wrong, this is wrong all throughout the New Testament, and the Introductions werent anymore helpful.

Pax Christi Iesus
Paul.

[cmotherofpirl]

The NAB leavews much to be desired. It makes a great paperweight.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='May 27 2004, 12:05 AM'] The NAB leavews much to be desired. It makes a great paperweight. [/quote]
Pax Iesus

I wouldnt go that far. Its one of the most accurate translation to the ancient copies, but you can see certain Protestant directives in the footnotes and obviously in the Gospel of Luke as I mentioned. If it was a shocking translation, the Church wouldnt have put "Impartiur" on it. Which technically it shouldnt since Luke 1:28 isnt in agreement with Catholic Mariam Doctrine.

Pax Iesus Christi
Paul.

[Katholikos]

[quote name='P3chrmd' date='May 26 2004, 02:24 AM'] Just wanted to know what is your fav. bible translation...I have the New Jerusalem Bible: Saints Devotional Edition...I love it

But I DO wish they would make neat bibles for us like they do protestants..the neat compact italian leather duo tone ones...PROTESTANTS get the works when it comes to their bibles...we often get leftovers! Oh well...when it comes to art and statues we have them beat [/quote]
As I understand it, the Jerusalem Bible is a third-generation translation; that is, from Hebrew or Greek to French to English. Commentators say it was "compared to the original langauges." I have it, but I don't enjoy reading it. It doesn't have the right rhythm or "ring" to it.

Either Douay or Ignatius (Catholic Edition, RSV translation) get my vote. I'd like to get the new Vulgate translation.

Protestants are focused on the written word. That's all they have, unfortunately. They think the Bible fell out of heaven, bound in that Italian leather, in the red-letter edition. At least, I did! As a Protestant, it never occurred to me to ask where we got the Bible. Same is true for many other Protestants, though I certainly can't speak for all of them.

Catholic Bibles in no way deserve to be characterized as "leftovers."

Surely you have seen pictures of the beautiful art treasures known as illuminated manuscripts -- the Scriptures laborious hand copied by Catholic monks before printing was invented in the 15th century. Protestant treatment of the Bible can in no way compare to the reverence and beauty with which it has been accorded by the Catholic Church over the centuries. And, aren't the Gospels in a beautiful volume held aloft and carried about very ceremoniously at every Sunday Mass for all the congregation to venerate?

Where were the Protestants when there was no Bible?

The RSV translation is admired for accuracy by both Catholic and Protestant scholars. But it, too, mistranslates the angelic salutation in Luke 1:28 as "O highly favored one" rather than "full of grace." Grrrrrr

Ave Cor Mariae, Likos

[MorphRC]

Pax Iesus

I find it coincidental that previous english versions have Full of Grace, but post-Vatican II translations that work with heretics have Highly Favored one. Maybe the Church should rethink inter-denominational translations.

Pax Christi Iesus
Paul.

[mulls]

[quote name='Katholikos' date='May 26 2004, 10:37 AM'] Same is true for many other Protestants, though I certainly can't speak for all of them.

[/quote]
now you're learning.....kinda

[Archangel Raphael]

King James Version is the best, period. Closest you'll get to actual translation Yea so you just get over the thous, thees, thys, and thines, and you'll be fine. I'll trade creature comforts for more acurate wording any day.

[He carries me]

Well, if you like the King James version, but don't like the "thees" and "thous" you could always get the New King James version....

[IcePrincessKRS]

Oh boy.... I think that post is going to open up a big can of worms Justin! lol

I'll stay out of this one and let someone else refute that, though...

[P3chrmd]

[quote]King James Version is the best, period. Closest you'll get to actual translation  Yea so you just get over the thous, thees, thys, and thines, and you'll be fine. I'll trade creature comforts for more acurate wording any day[/quote]

Actually the closest you can get to the REAL thing is the Duay version...yes its only for catholics...but it is the original english version...the version that the King James came from! King James is ok...but to protestant for me

[Archangel Raphael]

[quote name='P3chrmd' date='May 26 2004, 02:02 PM']
Actually the closest you can get to the REAL thing is the Duay version...yes its only for catholics...but it is the original english version...the version that the King James came from! King James is ok...but to protestant for me [/quote]
I have to respectfully disagree. My brother has a Catholic Bible, though I do value the extra books it has that the protestant one doesn't, the translation of the KJV is better and more acurate. I know, I've compared them and found the KJV to be more acurate to the original Hebrew and Greek than the Catholic version. Just too bad they don't have the other books in it, then again, that's what Ilumina Gold is for

[Paladin D]

I don't have the Duay version, but the [b]New American Bible[/b]. There are a few Catholic translations.

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='He carries me' date='May 26 2004, 01:02 PM'] Well, if you like the King James version, but don't like the "thees" and "thous" you could always get the New King James version.... [/quote]
I glanced at the thread, someone already said this but it will be good to say it again:

The closet translation is Douay Rheims Bible.

I use NAB, The Navarre Bible, The Jerusalem Bible just like Mother Angelica's
The CCC.

The best commentaries is from the Navarre Bible, I want all of them

In the love of Christ
Jason

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Archangel Raphael' date='May 26 2004, 03:19 PM'] I have to respectfully disagree. My brother has a Catholic Bible, though I do value the extra books it has that the protestant one doesn't, the translation of the KJV is better and more acurate. I know, I've compared them and found the KJV to be more acurate to the original Hebrew and Greek than the Catholic version. Just too bad they don't have the other books in it, then again, that's what Ilumina Gold is for [/quote]
The Catholic Bible doesn't have extra books, the protestant bible is lacking books.
No one argued about the books until Luther came along.

THe most accurate Bible translation is the Revised STandard Version, not the KJV.

[Ellenita]

Some of the 'new' versions use 'inclusive' language which is truely annoying...... :angry: ...well it is to me anyway, since I never felt excluded by the language used in the 'old' versions!

[Katholikos]

[quote name='Archangel Raphael' date='May 26 2004, 01:19 PM'] I have to respectfully disagree.  My brother has a Catholic Bible, though I do value the extra books it has that the protestant one doesn't, the translation of the KJV is better and more acurate.  I know, I've compared them and found the KJV to be more acurate to the original Hebrew and Greek than the Catholic version.  Just too bad they don't have the other books in it, then again, that's what Ilumina Gold is for [/quote]
Raphael,

You read Koine Greek and Ancient Hebrew? You have access to the 4th century manuscripts (which are the earliest in existence)? You've compared the Elizabethan English of the KJV to the original biblical languages? And you declare the KJV to be a superior translation -- more accurate? Hmmmmm.

[b][color=purple]"The King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation." [i]Preface to the Revised Standard Version.[/i]

"The King James Version of the New Testament was based upon a Greek text that was marred by mistakes, containing the accumulated errors of fourteen centuries of manuscript copying." (Op. cit.)[/color][/b]

If you knew Bible history, you would not call Judith, Tobit, Baruch, Wisdom, Ecclesiaticus (Sirach) and 1 and 2 Maccabees "extra books."

They were Scripture to Jesus, the Apostles, all the sacred writers of the NT, and all Christians from the first to the sixteenth century, until Martin Luther cut them from the Bible.

Peace to you and to all.

Ave Cor Mariae, Likos

Edited May 27, 2004 by Katholikos

[Hananiah]

The better translations as far as literal accuracy is concerned are the NASB and the RSV-CE. Older translations like the KJV and the Douay are very word-for-word in their translation methodology, but they have some mistakes due to the fact that Greek and Hebrew scholarship was not as advanced when they were produced. The CASB (Catholic Apologetics Study Bible) is an update of the Douay, and very literal, but only Matthew is done so far, and it's probably never going to include the entire OT.