Ecumenical Patriarch To Attend Pope's Inaugural Mass

[Apotheoun]

I thought you were a young rogue.

 

I agree with this to a point, but it's honestly out of my depth.

Nope, I'm old. I converted to Roman Catholicism in 1987 at the age of 24, and became an Eastern Catholic in 2005. 

 

:hehe2:

[Evangetholic]

It is also interesting to note that the man who would become Pope Adrian VI, while teaching theology at the University of Louvain, did not know that the bishop of Rome was supposed to be infallible, for as he put it: 

 

"If by the Roman Church is understood its head, that is the pope, it is certain that it can err, even in those matters which concern the Faith, by publishing heresy in its decisions and decrees.  For many Roman Pontiffs have been heretics.  Of recent times it is reported that Pope John XXII publicly taught, declared, and commanded to be believed by all, that purified souls do not have the clear vision of God before the Final Judgment."

 

It is also interesting that he says Pope John XXII publicly taught error. Fascinating what you can find out by reading texts in defense of Gallicanism.

 

John XXII would not be the only Pope who taught error (if that's true).  I'd name more recent examples, but I'm sure you can imagine why I won't.

 

The Popes are given a negative protection against error under very particular circumstances--as you well know. The Infallibility of the Church, not the Popes, is the rockstar of Catholic Theology.

[Evangetholic]

And many things that are legally/theologically possible are done in the West based solely on the fact that they can be done. I think this is honestly making a shipwreck of the Western Church. (The most glaring example of this would be the war we declared on our own liturgy fifty years ago. I agree with you that the West is not healthy. I also think that poor health is the result of the liturgical changes we undertook. If I've gone to far with this moderators, I apologize.)

[Apotheoun]

John XXII would not be the only Pope who taught error (if that's true).  I'd name more recent examples, but I'm sure you can imagine why I won't.

 

The Popes are given a negative protection against error under very particular circumstances--as you well know. The Infallibility of the Church, not the Popes, is the rockstar of Catholic Theology.

The key phrase in the quotation from Prof. Adriaan Florenszoon Boeyens (i.e., the future Pope Adrian VI) is publicly taught, declared, and commanded to be believed by all, because that statement contradicts the theory put forward at the late 19th century council held at the Vatican.

Edited March 16, 2013 by Apotheoun

[Apotheoun]

Now let's get back to the good news . . . Patriarch Bartholomew is going to attend the inaugural Mass of Pope Francis.  

 

:yahoo:

[Apotheoun]

I hope other Orthodox Churches decide to send representatives to Pope Francis' installation as bishop of Rome.

[Evangetholic]

[Evangetholic]

I hope other Orthodox Churches decide to send representatives to Pope Francis' installation as bishop of Rome.

 

Particularly Russia. If I ever manage to stop trusting Rome, but continue trusting Jesus, then I must choose the Russian Church.

Edited March 16, 2013 by Evangetholic

[Apotheoun]

Particularly Russia. If I ever manage to stop trusting Rome, but continue trusting Jesus, then I must choose the Russian Church.

The Russian Church really knows how to celebrate the liturgy well, and it has also embraced modern technology to relay the Patriarchal Liturgies to the world on YouTube. I wish the Melkite Catholic Church would do that, but so far no luck.

[Evangetholic]

Nope, I'm old. I converted to Roman Catholicism in 1987 at the age of 24, and became an Eastern Catholic in 2005. 

 

:hehe2:

 

I just realized this. You converted to Catholicism at 24 and I reverted at 24. Maybe in another 18 years I'll rite switch to the Russian Greek Catholic Church.

[mortify]

For those interested in the Pope Honorius issue, read here:

 

http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=3301&CFID=48827196&CFTOKEN=76336795

[CatholicCid]

It is also interesting to note that the man who would become Pope Adrian VI, while teaching theology at the University of Louvain, did not know that the bishop of Rome was supposed to be infallible, for as he put it: 

 

"If by the Roman Church is understood its head, that is the pope, it is certain that it can err, even in those matters which concern the Faith, by publishing heresy in its decisions and decrees.  For many Roman Pontiffs have been heretics.  Of recent times it is reported that Pope John XXII publicly taught, declared, and commanded to be believed by all, that purified souls do not have the clear vision of God before the Final Judgment."

 

It is also interesting that he says Pope John XXII publicly taught error. Fascinating what you can find out by reading texts in defense of Gallicanism.

 

 

And, Francis De Sales would state that John XXII erred in his private theological opinions, not in official Church teaching. Interestingly enough, John XXII never taught his errant opinion as an official teaching of the Church, which he was, of course, in the position to do so. His successor, however, settle this theological dispute and formally defined the position we hold today. Interesting things you ready when reading of St. Francis De Sales  :hehe2:

 

And, back on topic, this deserves a big  :bananarap: and a  :dancer1: plus a  :woot: .