That More Gun Control Would Reduce Gun Violence, Is Common Sense

[havok579257]

It follows your logic exactly. It even has the assumption that the only means of combating an evil is by committing another one.
 

 

 

yep your right, in your fantasy land every store owner who refuses to sell you a gun or anything for that matter is committing an evil against you.  In your world if anyone refuses to sell you anything then they are evil, they must work for the big bad scary government and they must also want to kill you. 

An the logic of Winchester makes me smile.

[havok579257]

Are those the people who worship Hera?

 

 

Nope, they work for the big bad scary government who hides under your bed.

[Winchester]

yep your right, in your fantasy land every store owner who refuses to sell you a gun or anything for that matter is committing an evil against you.  In your world if anyone refuses to sell you anything then they are evil, they must work for the big bad scary government and they must also want to kill you. 

An the logic of Winchester makes me smile.

 

No, it's not evil to refuse to sell something. That's a free choice. You really don't get it, do you?

 

A and B wish to trade. C comes in and tries to set boundaries. C is the problem. A wishes to trade, B doesn't. Free choice.

 

It's not that hard to understand.
 

[Laudate_Dominum]

Where in teh frak have you been, Winchester? Facebook brah.

[Winchester]

No, it's not evil to refuse to sell something. That's a free choice. You really don't get it, do you?

 

A and B wish to trade. C comes in and tries to set boundaries. C is the problem. A wishes to trade, B doesn't. Free choice.

 

It's not that hard to understand.
 

 

Just bumping in the hopes of clearing up the (completely inexplicable) misunderstanding havok had of the concept of free trade.

 

Cue distracting comment on people accruing too much power and then exploiting that power (although the incineration of cities, drafting people into an army, and mass incarceration of people for vices is not considered to be exploitation. Because gubbmint).

[fides' Jack]

I'm sure this has been brought up before...

 

When did saving a few lives become more important than freedom?

[Winchester]

I'm sure this has been brought up before...

 

When did saving a few lives become more important than freedom?

It's not a question of importance. It's a question of the moral use of force.

[fides' Jack]

But the other question is more basic - if freedom is more important, then the "moral use of force" doesn't matter.

 

I completely read that the first time as "It's a question of the moral use of the force", and I was thinking, "Well, naturally, the use of lightsabers is much more moral than the use of the force."

[havok579257]

I'm sure this has been brought up before...

 

When did saving a few lives become more important than freedom?

 

 

when Winchester decided that government can do nothing right.  all they do is steal money, stop freedoms and kill people.  Cause that's all they do.  Kill kill kill.

[Winchester]

I thought freedom of trade meant that people had to be forced to sell guns whenever someone wanted them.

It's okay. I pointed out your error.

[CatholicsAreKewl]

when Winchester decided that government can do nothing right.  all they do is steal money, stop freedoms and kill people.  Cause that's all they do.  Kill kill kill.

You're right. They do other stuff. But they're especially good at those three things. 

[havok579257]

government is evil.  anarchy and survival of the fittest is the best.  then I can shot people with my gun.

 

 

you were saying

[Winchester]

you were saying

 

It's funnier when you change the message to what the person actually said. Since you thought I felt it was immoral to not sell stuff to people, it seems you have a complete misunderstanding of why I oppose the modern State. You really should read something from some Catholic libertarians or anarchists, or whatever term those who reject aggression choose to take on.

 

I recommend Gerard Casey. He's a Catholic, and his message is delivered with far less snark than mine. I admire how he communicates opposition to the use of aggression.

 

There's also this book: http://www.amazon.com/Free-Beautiful-Catholics-should-libertarian/dp/1475130961

 

Anyway, I hope you abandon aggression. A side effect of deciding you cannot use violence to make people stop sinning is that you pray more. Unfortunately, I prayed very little before, so the change isn't massive. But I'm working on it.

 

Edited May 20, 2013 by Winchester

[havok579257]

It's funnier when you change the message to what the person actually said. Since you thought I felt it was immoral to not sell stuff to people, it seems you have a complete misunderstanding of why I oppose the modern State. You really should read something from some Catholic libertarians or anarchists, or whatever term those who reject aggression choose to take on.

 

I recommend Gerard Casey. He's a Catholic, and his message is delivered with far less snark than mine. I admire how he communicates opposition to the use of aggression.

 

There's also this book: http://www.amazon.com/Free-Beautiful-Catholics-should-libertarian/dp/1475130961

 

Anyway, I hope you abandon aggression. A side effect of deciding you cannot use violence to make people stop sinning is that you pray more. Unfortunately, I prayed very little before, so the change isn't massive. But I'm working on it.

 

 

you really have no clue about what aggression entails do you?  You seem to think anyone who does not agree with you automatically means they aggression against their fellow man.  Stop assuming if they don't agree with you, then you can stereotype them.

[Winchester]

you really have no clue about what aggression entails do you?  You seem to think anyone who does not agree with you automatically means they aggression against their fellow man.  Stop assuming if they don't agree with you, then you can stereotype them.

 

It's not that you disagree with me. Agorists disagree with me, but they don't support aggression.

 

Like I said, read Casey. Or buy the book I recommended.