Carmelite Customs

[graciandelamadrededios]

Thanks for sharing that Gracian! I have got to get a copy of that book! Okay, so Chiqui's little sash had 5 black stripes, though there's still chance there's some connection... Best to ask them directly :detective:

 

Oh Chiqui!

 

I thought you already have a copy of "Journey to Carith."  Well, you must get one immediately and I promise you its an interesting book and you will learn a lot from it.

 

I got mine ages ago and from time to time, I still browse them.

 

Convince her, Anneline!

 

 

Gracian

[graciandelamadrededios]

I was thinking of exactly that quote, Gratian, but was too lazy to walk across the room for my copy of Journey to Carith!  :paperbag:

 

I actually just copy and pasted them!

 

Those were my reply to yahoo group when they asked some questions about Carmelites and its history.

 

Also, the striped mantle was mentioned extensively in the book "The Carmelites" by Joachim Smets, O. Carm.

 

 

Gracian

[AnneLine]

It is a VERY well-written book, Chiqui, and well worth the investment.

 

The author, Peter-Thomas Rohrbach, did leave the Order after it was published, but it still is the best available history of the Discalced Carmelite reform available in English.  There is a new introduction to the reprint that was issued just a few years back (and is available from ICS, the Institute of Carmelite Studies.  It corrects a few incorrect things and clarifies a few others.  But other than that, they made the choice to just re-issue it without any other changes, because the research was solid.  It is also a good period piece because it was written and published just before Vatican II, so it is a pretty good picture of how stuff was before the Council.

 

There are also a couple of interesting books available as ebooks... free!!!!! detailing the history of Carmel in England and Ireland, specifically.... published just before the start of the 20th Century.  Can include links if there is any interest.  If you don't know the story of the Carmelites during the Penal Period (when it was illegal to be Catholic, much less Carmelite!) it is well worth reading.  Language is flowery and 'dated' -- but fascinating....

 

The Western Province of the Discalced Carmelite friars was a mission territory of the Anglo-Irish province until 1980, so we definitely get interested in that history out here... it's about our spiritual grandparents!!!!!

[graciandelamadrededios]

It is a VERY well-written book, Chiqui, and well worth the investment.

 

The author, Peter-Thomas Rohrbach, did leave the Order after it was published, but it still is the best available history of the Discalced Carmelite reform available in English.  There is a new introduction to the reprint that was issued just a few years back (and is available from ICS, the Institute of Carmelite Studies.  It corrects a few incorrect things and clarifies a few others.  But other than that, they made the choice to just re-issue it without any other changes, because the research was solid.  It is also a good period piece because it was written and published just before Vatican II, so it is a pretty good picture of how stuff was before the Council.

 

There are also a couple of interesting books available as ebooks... free!!!!! detailing the history of Carmel in England and Ireland, specifically.... published just before the start of the 20th Century.  Can include links if there is any interest.  If you don't know the story of the Carmelites during the Penal Period (when it was illegal to be Catholic, much less Carmelite!) it is well worth reading.  Language is flowery and 'dated' -- but fascinating....

 

The Western Province of the Discalced Carmelite friars was a mission territory of the Anglo-Irish province until 1980, so we definitely get interested in that history out here... it's about our spiritual grandparents!!!!!

 

Please post the links, Anneline.

 

Thanks much!

[graciandelamadrededios]

By the way, those interested to get an online copy of the book "Book for the Hour of Recreation" written by Mother Maria de San Jose (Salazar) translated by Amanda Powell.  Please PM me.

[Chiquitunga]

I'm ordering it ASAP! :smile4: & yes, AnneLine please do post those links on Carmelite history in England & Ireland. I have visited some of the Irish Carmels, as I was PMing you about. I find it very interesting they are not direct descendants from Carmels in Europe via England, which I assumed before Gracian shared with me an excerpt from Journey to Carith.

 

I want to learn more about all of the English martyrs too, like St. Anne Line. I have a friend who has a huge love for them and enthusiastically shares with me their stories. How they suffered for Christ and His Church!!

 

Where did Fr. Peter-Thomas Rohrbach go? I have read his book on Mental Prayer, Conversation with Christ. 

[graciandelamadrededios]

I'm ordering it ASAP! :smile4: & yes, AnneLine please do post those links on Carmelite history in England & Ireland. I have visited some of the Irish Carmels, as I was PMing you about. I find it very interesting they are not direct descendants from Carmels in Europe via England, which I assumed before Gracian shared with me an excerpt from Journey to Carith.

 

I want to learn more about all of the English martyrs too, like St. Anne Line. I have a friend who has a huge love for them and enthusiastically shares with me their stories. How they suffered for Christ and His Church!!

 

Where did Fr. Peter-Thomas Rohrbach go? I have read his book on Mental Prayer, Conversation with Christ. 

 

Yes, I did Chiqui but some Carmels in Ireland probably came from England or Europe.

Edited July 13, 2013 by graciandelamadrededios

[Chiquitunga]

By the way, those interested to get an online copy of the book "Book for the Hour of Recreation" written by Mother Maria de San Jose (Salazar) translated by Amanda Powell.  Please PM me.

 

I bought that book years ago, http://www.amazon.com/Recreation-Other-Voice-Modern-Europe/dp/0226734552/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1373754123&sr=1-1&keywords=book+for+the+hour+of+recreation+carmelite  but never got past the introduction, though I intend too. But the introduction in this version is just terrible!! It was part of a series of books on early women writers from an extremely feminist point of view. I am sure Sr. Maria de San Jose would be/is most displeased with that. Still I'm looking forward to reading what she actually wrote, which I skimmed through some of..

Edited July 13, 2013 by Chiquitunga

[AnneLine]

Happy to share my ebookcase!

 

Carmel in England

http://books.google.com/books/about/Carmel_in_England.html?id=H3mcO0LePw4C

 

Carmel in Ireland

http://books.google.com/books/about/Carmel_in_Ireland.html?id=8bv1IQAACAAJ

 

And... just found a new one!

 

An English Carmelite (Life of Catherine Burton, Mother Mary Xaveria of the Angels of the English Carmel of Antwerp

http://ebooks.cambridge.org/ebook.jsf?bid=CBO9780511705946

 

[graciandelamadrededios]

I bought that book years ago, http://www.amazon.com/Recreation-Other-Voice-Modern-Europe/dp/0226734552/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1373754123&sr=1-1&keywords=book+for+the+hour+of+recreation+carmelite  but never got past the introduction, though I intend too. But the introduction in this version is just terrible!! It was part of a series of books on early women writers from an extremely feminist point of view. Really wacky! I am sure Sr. Maria de San Jose would be/is most displeased with that. Still I'm looking forward to reading what she actually wrote, which I skimmed through some of..

 

Trust me, I did not read all of the Intro though there are some historical facts that are actually fascinating, that is if you skip the feminist parts.

[AnneLine]

I'm ordering it ASAP! :smile4: & yes, AnneLine please do post those links on Carmelite history in England & Ireland. I have visited some of the Irish Carmels, as I was PMing you about. I find it very interesting they are not direct descendants from Carmels in Europe via England, which I assumed before Gracian shared with me an excerpt from Journey to Carith.

 

I want to learn more about all of the English martyrs too, like St. Anne Line. I have a friend who has a huge love for them and enthusiastically shares with me their stories. How they suffered for Christ and His Church!!

 

Where did Fr. Peter-Thomas Rohrbach go? I have read his book on Mental Prayer, Conversation with Christ. 

 

Same feeling about the English/Irish/Welsh/Scottish martyrs.   A proud heritage. 

 

If you haven't seen the video that Mary's Dowry produced about Anne Line, get it; it is a well-done amateur production, with lots of good details.  Was my Christmas present to myself last year!

 

I do not know what happened to Fr. Peter-Thomas; he was in the Eastern Province, and all I know is he is gone; I believe he may have left, as so many did, in the late 60's/early 70's, but I am not sure.  Wherever he is, I'm sure he'd value some prayers... don't we all?

 

Conversation with Christ is an excellent book, as is Journey to Carith.

Edited July 13, 2013 by AnneLine

[graciandelamadrededios]

Happy to share my ebookcase!

 

Carmel in England

http://books.google.com/books/about/Carmel_in_England.html?id=H3mcO0LePw4C

 

Carmel in Ireland

http://books.google.com/books/about/Carmel_in_Ireland.html?id=8bv1IQAACAAJ

 

And... just found a new one!

 

An English Carmelite (Life of Catherine Burton, Mother Mary Xaveria of the Angels of the English Carmel of Antwerp

http://ebooks.cambridge.org/ebook.jsf?bid=CBO9780511705946

 

The first two books said no ebook available on the website.

[AnneLine]

Gracian, I can get them here in U.S.; just checked link and it is available for download -- perhaps not available where you are?   You are outside US I believe?

[graciandelamadrededios]

Gracian, I can get them here in U.S.; just checked link and it is available for download -- perhaps not available where you are?   You are outside US I believe?

 

Oh dear.....  It seems that its not available outside the US.

 

I could probably ask Chiqui to send me the downloaded files to my email.

 

Thanks Anneline!

 

Gracian

[AnneLine]

Anytime... and feel free to PM me if you wish as well!

 

Anne Line

Edited July 13, 2013 by AnneLine

[Chiquitunga]

The English Carmelite booksthere work for me (thank you!!) but not the link for Carmel in Ireland (says no ebook available for me too) but this one does ~ https://play.google.com/store/books/details/James_P_Rushe_Carmel_in_Ireland?id=WC_KbSuqjfIC&feature=similar_books#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwOCwiYm9vay1XQ19LYlN1cWpmSUMiXQ

 

I cannot figure out though how to download it onto my computer, so I can send it via email. It seems to just be viewable online... :idontknow:

[Chiquitunga]

Same feeling about the English/Irish/Welsh/Scottish martyrs.   A proud heritage. 

 

If you haven't seen the video that Mary's Dowry produced about Anne Line, get it; it is a well-done amateur production, with lots of good details.  Was my Christmas present to myself last year!

 

I do not know what happened to Fr. Peter-Thomas; he was in the Eastern Province, and all I know is he is gone; I believe he may have left, as so many did, in the late 60's/early 70's, but I am not sure.  Wherever he is, I'm sure he'd value some prayers... don't we all?

 

Conversation with Christ is an excellent book, as is Journey to Carith.

 

Yes, very much so!! & thanks for that recommendation on the St. Anne Line documentary! I see they have a bunch of other ones on English martyrs too as well as other saints! http://www.marysdowryproductions.org/DVDS_from_MDP.html  Thank you!!

[AnneLine]

AnneLine is shameless... but here is a 5 minute clip from the Mary's Dowry video on my patroness....

 

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9mVZ1BOiTk[/media]

[Chiquitunga]

wonderful!! thank you Anne Line! I think I will seriously get this because I know my friend would absolutely love it, along with myself :like: her life seemed very monastic too, and to take care of priests :priest: she must have a wonderful crown in Heaven! :saint:

[graciandelamadrededios]

The English Carmelite booksthere work for me (thank you!!) but not the link for Carmel in Ireland (says no ebook available for me too) but this one does ~ https://play.google.com/store/books/details/James_P_Rushe_Carmel_in_Ireland?id=WC_KbSuqjfIC&feature=similar_books#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEwOCwiYm9vay1XQ19LYlN1cWpmSUMiXQ

 

I cannot figure out though how to download it onto my computer, so I can send it via email. It seems to just be viewable online... :idontknow:

 

Maybe, we could ask Anneline to send the files to us via email?

 

Gracian