CatholicsAreKewl Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 LOL I couldn't resist. I couldn't. But now I think I might have to go to confession... Anyway. Point being, don't take wiki at their word for everything. Still up. I wonder if this will end up in some poor high schooler's paper.
Quinn Posted August 5, 2013 Author Posted August 5, 2013 Hmmm thanks but I found the comments more interesting especially the last one :) Like a woman waiting for her sweetheart that left for war and isn't coming back. THere comes a point where intrigue turns into unhealthy obsession. It's been 2000 years, let it go. He isn't coming back. "faith has been forced out of the classroom" Not sure what you mean by "forced". But the fact of the matter is that "faith" is irrelevant to education, unless, of course, you're referring to education in religious studies - which can also be studied without faith, in fact. Education in science in particular teaches students to think critically and apply rational analysis, which is precisely what reveals the flaws and fallacies of religious faith, which is why an education in science is probably the greatest influence in causing formerly religious believers to walk away from what they come to realize is just wrong. Exactly. From actually scientific survey - unlike the one the article discusses, apparently - the primary factor in causing religious believers to become atheists is a college education. Additionally, education in science specifically is an even bigger factor. No, you only pretend my comment made your point. I honestly could not care less about a mentally ill man (who was really a composite of multiple people) who as a carpenter ironically died by being nailed to some wood. it's the stupidity, arrogance, and evil of his fanclub I cannot stand. Therefore, it is my duty as a sentient being with the capacity for empathy and morality to stamp out this nonsense wherever it may rear its ugly head. You want to believe in fairy tales? Go right ahead. Know that they are nothing but fairy tales and do not expect to be taken seriously by anyone else outside of your church. When these fairy tales start to negatively impact society (discrimination and in earlier times, witch-hunts and the crusades and all that), that's when I'm going to call out bullshit as I see it. Your cognitive dissonance, fear if death, delusions of grandeur ("the creator of the universe knows my name and knows me personally"), pareidolia nor apophenia, are not proof of anything. 2.1 billion christians on the planet believing bullshit does not make it any less bullshit. 5 billion non-christians on the planet would agree that christianity is nonsensical garbage. :| Grow up
Quinn Posted August 5, 2013 Author Posted August 5, 2013 I'll be going to hell for plagiarizing tonight. Anyone got any marshmallow ?
Amppax Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 In his misspent youth, my husband enjoyed vandalizing wikipedia with his buddies. Some of their edits stayed up for weeks. For instance, for a certain period of time Francis Scott Key's entry stated that he was strangled to death by a man named Barry Herman. I've made "corrections" to wiki's myself. Mainly to those of the Jesuit high school that was my high school's rival.
Winchester Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 D'Souza is a legit intellectual. Did you know that Christopher Hitchens favorably reviewed his book, "Life After Death: The Evidence"? He definitely didn't agree with you about D'Souza being a fool. You need to stop using wiki for a source - ANY type of public-edited source is a suspect one. If you go to a wiki every time you need to learn about someone, you will be easily controlled by mob think. Do your own reading and think for yourself. I don't really watch any of these debates because they are very boring. It's not possible to prove God exists. It's also not possible to prove he doesn't exist. Let's watch a couple people try for a couple hours. Snore. Unimpressed so far by the dinesh. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkIyWsDaBcY&feature=youtu.be[/media]
Amppax Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 Dinesh D'souza. Blech. He's a statist Winnie, of course you don't like him. Just read the William Lane Craig debate with Hitchens. Craig sucked less. It's frustrating to witness people talk past each other. Sorry I'm tired and grouchy. Probably shouldn't be posting.
CatholicsAreKewl Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 Dinesh D'souza. Blech. He's a statist Winnie, of course you don't like him. Just read the William Lane Craig debate with Hitchens. Craig sucked less. It's frustrating to witness people talk past each other. Sorry I'm tired and grouchy. Probably shouldn't be posting. Really? I don't find craig that good. I liked D'Souza more. There's also a few Catholics that did fine against Hitchens.
Amppax Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 Really? I don't find craig that good. I liked D'Souza more. There's also a few Catholics that did fine against Hitchens. I didn't so much think Craig did good (he was ok) as I think Hitchens failed rather miserably. Ok, that's an exaggeration, but Craig made some specific claims at the beginning of the debate, and about halfway through, Craig challenged Hitchens to disprove any specific claim he had made. I might have missed it, but I didn't seem like Hitchens ever did. Hitchens had a couple of good moments, but he didn't really disprove any argument Craig made.
LittleWaySoul Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 Just gonna leave this here :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFRN3kp4MiA&feature=youtu.be
Quinn Posted August 5, 2013 Author Posted August 5, 2013 So he says at the end of this rather short video clip that it's a moral and ethical question to decide whether abortion is right or wrong. He also says it should be the decision of both parents. This is NOT christopher hitchens saying he believes all abortions are wrong... In todays promiscuous society there probably are way too many abortions going on but that doesn't make all abortions unethical and immoral. It's not as black and white as I imagine most catholics believe it to be.
Quinn Posted August 5, 2013 Author Posted August 5, 2013 LMAO this is so funny http://youtu.be/9V85OykSDT8
CatholicsAreKewl Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 I didn't so much think Craig did good (he was ok) as I think Hitchens failed rather miserably. Ok, that's an exaggeration, but Craig made some specific claims at the beginning of the debate, and about halfway through, Craig challenged Hitchens to disprove any specific claim he had made. I might have missed it, but I didn't seem like Hitchens ever did. Hitchens had a couple of good moments, but he didn't really disprove any argument Craig made. Meh, I rewatched it. Hitchens didn't do so well in this one. I guess I was thinking about another Craig debate.
HisChildForever Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 So he says at the end of this rather short video clip that it's a moral and ethical question to decide whether abortion is right or wrong. He also says it should be the decision of both parents. This is NOT christopher hitchens saying he believes all abortions are wrong... In todays promiscuous society there probably are way too many abortions going on but that doesn't make all abortions unethical and immoral. It's not as black and white as I imagine most catholics believe it to be. The life or death of a child is a pretty black-and-white situation.
Quinn Posted August 5, 2013 Author Posted August 5, 2013 No I meant the reasons why a mother should abort is not black and white. What if she was raped? It's her body not the churches. I'm so glad the law allows abortion for this exact reason. It is true that abortion is used as a quick get out clause and I don't think that's right
KnightofChrist Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 No I meant the reasons why a mother should abort is not black and white. What if she was raped? It's her body not the churches. I'm so glad the law allows abortion for this exact reason.It is true that abortion is used as a quick get out clause and I don't think that's right The child is not a piece of property that belongs to the mother. Your argument is in favor of a form of child slavery. The child should not be put to death because of the crimes of the father. It is rather backwards thinking to think of such a child as some type of curse.
HisChildForever Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 No I meant the reasons why a mother should abort is not black and white. What if she was raped? It's her body not the churches. I'm so glad the law allows abortion for this exact reason. It is true that abortion is used as a quick get out clause and I don't think that's right No, it's not her body. Unless you're of the bizarre opinion that mother and child are together one human person.
Socrates Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 Well it's very good of you to wish him well Lilllabettt. Thanks :) If atheism's true, Christopher Hitchens no longer exists.
Socrates Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 How does someone "win" a debate? Easy. The guy who agrees with my opinions is the winner.
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