Do You Think There Should Be A Vatican 3 ?

[PhuturePriest]

There's more than one Vatican?

 

I'm pretty sure there's a town in America called Vatican.

[Nihil Obstat]

I'm pretty sure there's a town in America called Vatican.

Citation needed.

[Apotheoun]

A Council in Bozeman, Montana, would be cool, because that is where first contact with the Vulcans is going to be made by Zephram Cochrane in 2063.

[Nunsense]

Citation needed.

 

 

Vatican, LA   -link to map

 

http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?encType=1&where1=Vatican%2c+Louisiana%2c+United+States&cp=30.308500289917~-92.1178970336914&qpvt=vatican+usa&FORM=MIRE#Y3A9MzAuMzA4NTAwfi05Mi4xMTc4OTcmbHZsPTQmc3R5PXImcT1WYXRpY2FuJTI1MkMlMjUyMExvdWlzaWFuYSUyNTJDJTI1MjBVbml0ZWQlMjUyMFN0YXRlcw==

[Nihil Obstat]

Vatican, LA   -link to map

 

http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?encType=1&where1=Vatican%2c+Louisiana%2c+United+States&cp=30.308500289917~-92.1178970336914&qpvt=vatican+usa&FORM=MIRE#Y3A9MzAuMzA4NTAwfi05Mi4xMTc4OTcmbHZsPTQmc3R5PXImcT1WYXRpY2FuJTI1MkMlMjUyMExvdWlzaWFuYSUyNTJDJTI1MjBVbml0ZWQlMjUyMFN0YXRlcw==

Neato. A Google search did not yield initial results for me.

[CatholicsAreKewl]

http://bit.ly/19PjbUV

[Nihil Obstat]

http://bit.ly/19PjbUV

Very detailed.

[Gabriela]

BREAKING NEWS!!!

 

PHATMASSERS ACTUALLY AGREE ON SOMETHING!!!

 

:-O

[LouisvilleFan]

Long as they do it right. You know, more "Return of the Jedi" and "Back to the Future III," not so much "Godfather III."

[Gabriela]

The Roman Catholic Church as an institution is dying. For centuries anything of a spiritual or deeper nature in Christianity was crushed by the Church authority. Anything that suggested a direct and immediate connection to God not dependent on the sacramental system was judged a threat needing to be removed. All that remained was the exoteric shell of doctrine and ritual and eventually even their significance wore away. It's a sign of spiritual bankruptcy when the sole aim of some groups is to restore and retain traditional formulas and signs of worship when the esoteric nature of these practices and beliefs has been lost. In the end, there is no council that can fix the problem we are facing before us. It is the death of but one more of man's attempts to monopolize and control the Divine among us.

 

Oh boy. Prepare yourself for an intellectual smackdown, dude.

[Ice_nine]

The Roman Catholic Church as an institution is dying.

 

I think your perspective is limited.

[Sr. Mary Jeremiah OP]

I agree with what most replies have said, esp. Aloysius.

 

The time is too premature. We have not yet exhausted or implemented fully the documents of Vatican II. Historians say it takes between 50 and 100 years to implement a Council. Although it's been 50 years, we are just beginning to reach some stability. With all the changes in the world, I think now is too unstable to have another Council very soon. Wait until those who lived through Vatican II are died, please. :saint2:

 

Vatican II established the Synod of Bishops. More could be done there and B16 had begun to make it more productive.

 

Let's Live the Faith and get to evangelizing and working on unity.

Sr. Mary Jeremiah, OP

[linate]

if there were a vatican II i'd propose it address traditional v modernist catholic views, and maybe a separate or also a council that addresses catholic v orthodox view. it could be two or one, perhaps one if it focused solely on infallbility points. 

 

i'd like to see the CC address vatican II's those who strive to do good but possess "invincible ignorance" "may" be saved. this would clarify a lot for traditionalists. of course, limbo and the fate of infants would be great to address more officially too. 

 

i'd like to see the CC address vatican i's idea that the pope may speak "without the consent of the church" and/or that truth is truth "without the consent of the church", as that'd clarify a lot of eastern catholics and perhaps even eastern orthodox as well. 

[LouisvilleFan]

The Roman Catholic Church as an institution is dying. For centuries anything of a spiritual or deeper nature in Christianity was crushed by the Church authority. Anything that suggested a direct and immediate connection to God not dependent on the sacramental system was judged a threat needing to be removed. All that remained was the exoteric shell of doctrine and ritual and eventually even their significance wore away. It's a sign of spiritual bankruptcy when the sole aim of some groups is to restore and retain traditional formulas and signs of worship when the esoteric nature of these practices and beliefs has been lost. In the end, there is no council that can fix the problem we are facing before us. It is the death of but one more of man's attempts to monopolize and control the Divine among us.

 

 

Right on point. People have been saying that for a long time. Almost 2,000 years, in fact.

[fons_vitae]

The Roman Catholic Church as an institution is dying. For centuries anything of a spiritual or deeper nature in Christianity was crushed by the Church authority. Anything that suggested a direct and immediate connection to God not dependent on the sacramental system was judged a threat needing to be removed. All that remained was the exoteric shell of doctrine and ritual and eventually even their significance wore away. It's a sign of spiritual bankruptcy when the sole aim of some groups is to restore and retain traditional formulas and signs of worship when the esoteric nature of these practices and beliefs has been lost. In the end, there is no council that can fix the problem we are facing before us. It is the death of but one more of man's attempts to monopolize and control the Divine among us.

 

There are a variety of criticisms that are often leveled at the Church, but this particular combination:

 

"Rome is rotten at the head [i.e., no Popery]" + "Rome crushes real Christian spirituality" + "Sacraments are dead ritual" + "The Church's hierarchy is a mere tradition of men"

 

causes me to think: "Gee, sure is Protestant in here..."

 

[Nihil Obstat]

Interesting. Are you a gnostic of some sort?

[ardillacid]

the 3rd heaven?

[PhuturePriest]

the 3rd heaven?

 

Must be Al Quada.

[Nihil Obstat]

Next guess... Western esotericism?

[Nihil Obstat]

Why the need to label? Christianity contains esotericism.

Not in the sense that western esotericism entails.