Why Is Fantasy As Bad As Drug Abuse?

[blazeingstar]

Theater in previous centuries was usually a staple diet of the rich which where few and the poor rarely got to see it unless one saved and wen't once or twice a year. Jesus said " It is harder for a rich man to get into heaven then for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle." Though anything is possible to God, i'm not running the rsk. I will leave regular theater for the rich.

 

Seriously?  Have you ever picked up a history book.  Yes, full stage productions were for the wealthy, but from Pa Ingalls to Jane Austin, people used fiction to entertain themselves when the heavy labor was done.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

:), you defend it like it's the holy catholic church, i think your more the heretics.

Edited September 25, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[Nunsense]

Yeah Tab, I'm sensing a touch of the Southern Baptist in what you post. I had Baptist neighbors in the US who believed that all music, dancing etc was the work of the devil. It is a very Protestant way of looking at things - and the most severe of Protestants at that. Are you aware that although you claim to be a Christian, you don't actually preach the teachings of the Catholic Church? You almost claim to be 'more Catholic than the Pope'!

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Yeah Tab, I'm sensing a touch of the Southern Baptist in what you post. I had Baptist neighbors in the US who believed that all music, dancing etc was the work of the devil. It is a very Protestant way of looking at things - and the most severe of Protestants at that. Are you aware that although you claim to be a Christian, you don't actually preach the teachings of the Catholic Church? You almost claim to be 'more Catholic than the Pope'!

 

 

There you go again word smithing. Saying i have said something i never siad. I never said anything about dancing and music, and i have never claimed to be more catholic then the pope, and you have obviosuly missed my many posts on scripture. But in saying that the majority of popular music whether under ground or above is probably devilish in the most, of what i have heard anyway.

Edited September 25, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[Nunsense]

There you go again word smithing. Saying i have said something i never siad. I never said anything about dancing and music, and i have never claimed to be more catholic then the pope, and you have obviosuly missed my many posts on scripture.

 

 

Well then make it clear to all of us - what exactly are you saying? Music and dancing often include elements of fantasy or myth. The title of this thread is why is fantasy as bad as drug abuse but I have yet to see you provide any scriptural or church sources that actually state that this is true. Nothing that you have quoted from scripture so far has supported what you claim.

[blazeingstar]

:), you defend it like it's the holy catholic church, i think your more the heretics.

 

No, we are not defending it like it's the Catechism, but we are defending what is a wonderful and blessed tool from God.

 

To us, you are literally following Christ's hyperbole when he said "if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out/if your hand, chop it off"

 

Jesus did not want us to go around maiming ourselves but rather to be aware of what may cause us to sin. Now, in your case this may be you need to stay away from all media, but it also cautions us to be prudent and letting you know that you should not proclaim this as you could potentially harm someone, or many people that God intended to come to him through fiction.

[Selah]

Are you one of the ones that think everyone has a plank in there eye therefore never excepts humble rebuke. Scripture also says " except humble rebuke." :)

 

*their  *accept

[Nunsense]

No, we are not defending it like it's the Catechism, but we are defending what is a wonderful and blessed tool from God.

 

To us, you are literally following Christ's hyperbole when he said "if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out/if your hand, chop it off"

 

Jesus did not want us to go around maiming ourselves but rather to be aware of what may cause us to sin. Now, in your case this may be you need to stay away from all media, but it also cautions us to be prudent and letting you know that you should not proclaim this as you could potentially harm someone, or many people that God intended to come to him through fiction.

 

Yes, this exactly. If something causes an occasion of sin for us, then we should avoid it. But fantasy does not cause all people to sin. In  fact, it has been a great tool for some people, especially when there is a moral to the story. Where would we be without Aesop's Fabiles?? :)

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

You have all misread or forgotten my original post, i know there are good stories and bad. And unsure if it was in this thread or another but in my original post here i failed to mention that yes there are stories told that encourage morality, the book of tobit being one.

 

Pax domini brethren, sympathizers and others...

 

I was thinking why is it the Lord has pulled me away from entertainment/mythology/fantasy/make believe.

So why is story telling called make believe? It is called this because the story teller tries to make the listener believe there story. Are there good story tellers and bad story tellers? Yes, some are trying to have people believe a true story and some something that is mythological. Why are the pretend stories bad? Well the pretend stories are bad because some people believe the story and those peoples personalities start to become a reflection of the story tellers fantasy/illusion/imagination and not totaly there own real personality.

 

Well that's all i have so far after examining my conscience on the matter today. Would anyone like to add anything else because i'm sure there's more.

 

God bless.

Jesus iz LORD.

Onward christian souls.

 

P.S. This all came about when i was thinking about Gangsta raps impact on youth and entertainments impact on the world in General.

 

Edited September 25, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

*their  *accept

 

 

thank you for the correction

[Nunsense]

 

You have all misread or forgotten my original post, i know there are good stories and bad.

 

Pax domini brethren, sympathizers and others...

 

I was thinking why is it the Lord has pulled me away from entertainment/mythology/fantasy/make believe.

So why is story telling called make believe? It is called this because the story teller tries to make the listener believe there story. Are there good story tellers and bad story tellers? Yes, some are trying to have people believe a true story and some something that is mythological. Why are the pretend stories bad? Well the pretend stories are bad because some people believe the story and those peoples personalities start to become a reflection of the story tellers fantasy/illusion/imagination and not totaly there own real personality.

 

Well that's all i have so far after examining my conscience on the matter today. Would anyone like to add anything else because i'm sure there's more.

 

God bless.

Jesus iz LORD.

Onward christian souls.

 

P.S. This all came about when i was thinking about Gangsta raps impact on youth and entertainments impact on the world in General.

 

 

 

Well the title of the thread makes it seem as if you condemn ALL fantasy and therefore all stories. Perhaps a title like IS Fantasy as bad as drug abuse might have made a difference??

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Well the title of the thread makes it seem as if you condemn ALL fantasy and therefore all stories. Perhaps a title like IS Fantasy as bad as drug abuse might have made a difference??

 

 

I addressed that in this thread today, you must have missed that, i said that perhaps the title is wrong and i should have said " similar to a drug addiction."

Edited September 25, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[Nunsense]

I addressed that in this thread today, you must have missed that, i said that perhaps the title is wrong and i should have said " similar to a drug addiction."

 

 

Well I still don't think it is similar to a drug addiction - for many reasons. But that is something that we can still disagree on.

[blazeingstar]

 

 

P.S. This all came about when i was thinking about Gangsta raps impact on youth and entertainments impact on the world in General.

 

 

 

Now I'm truly confused as Gangster rap isn't even Fiction.  Your first post was over the top, and we're responding to that.

[Nunsense]

Now I'm truly confused as Gangster rap isn't even Fiction.  Your first post was over the top, and we're responding to that.

 

 

Yeah, and I thought gangsta rap was music (a subset of hip hop according to Wikipedia) and yet when I mentioned music, Tab said it wasn't about music.

 

It's hard to discuss something when the topic keeps changing.....

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Now I'm truly confused as Gangster rap isn't even Fiction.  Your first post was over the top, and we're responding to that.

 

 

I was talking about gangster raps impact on the world, as with entertainment. Your another word smith aren't you, putting words into peoples mouths that they haven't even said. And most Gangster rap is Gangsta rap/hollywood, and these Gangsta rappers whether alone or in a group would croutons themselves if confronted by a group of bloodz or crips, as i would too, i have never said i was tough. And also if you look at my wording i never even said Gangster rap, i said Gangsta rap.

Edited September 25, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[Nunsense]

I was talking about gangster raps impact on the world, as with entertainment. Your another word smith aren't you, putting words into peoples mouths that they haven't even said.

 

 

Tab, have you any idea how confusing you are? No one is putting words in your mouth. When a person responds to what you post, you accuse them of this but all that is happening is that you aren't being clear. I don't know if your problem comes from some condition you have or is an after effect of some addiction, but your reasoning is flawed and your understanding of scripture and the Church is faulty. So because I don't think any good is going to come from continuing to post in this thread, I am out of here. Best wishes.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Tab, have you any idea how confusing you are? No one is putting words in your mouth. When a person responds to what you post, you accuse them of this but all that is happening is that you aren't being clear. I don't know if your problem comes from some condition you have or is an after effect of some addiction, but your reasoning is flawed and your understanding of scripture and the Church is faulty. So because I don't think any good is going to come from continuing to post in this thread, I am out of here. Best wishes.

 

 

Then you be clear also nunsense and say, " i don't understand what your getting at tab, please explain a bit deeper or better." whatever, something like that. I think it is you whom also has some kind of condition.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

And i'm also bailing from this thread. I think it has gone as far as it will go, unless anyone wants to continue it among yourselves.

[Selah]

Then you be clear also nunsense and say, " i don't understand what your getting at tab, please explain a bit deeper or better." whatever, something like that. I think it is you whom also has some kind of condition.

 

Excuse me; you do not talk to Nunsense like that, a respected member of this community. She is a nun and a sweet lady, who has shown more patience with you than I have, and should be shown respect.

 

And you will be reported for your rudeness and hateful words towards Nunsense. 

Edited September 25, 2013 by Selah