Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 And where exactly did I claim that the Roman Missal contains the whole of the Bible? I do not remember bringing that up at all. I never said you claimed that.
Apotheoun Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 I never said you claimed that. I see. So your post about Holy Scripture had no real connection to our discussion. Thanks for clearing that up.
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 Herein is the problem, most Catholics don't care. If the Pope told you to smash Tabernacles you'd probably do the same. I think Catholics in America and Western Europe developed a habit of blind, military like obedience. If the faith is damaged, your obedience is not required. the layity are the layity, where not vowed to obedience to the pope, nore are we vowed to chastity and poverty. Though it is recommended to some degree or another. So i doubt whether what your saying is true, though on matters of infalible faith and morals we must obey the pope, and also we probably should respect things like encyclical letters and in general our priests,bishops and cardinals unless real serious suspicion of heresy is afoot. Stop trying to cause descent apteka.
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 Stop posting doctored pictures apteka, and if that is the pope with a beach ball at the alter i doubt it is during holy mass. The primacy of the pope we must believe but blind faith in the pope we must not, blind faith in jesus we must.
Apotheoun Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 Stop posting doctored pictures apteka, and if that is the pope with a beach ball at the alter i doubt it is during holy mass. The primacy of the pope we must believe but blind faith in the pope we must not, blind faith in jesus we must. It is not a doctored picture, but you are correct that the beach ball was not placed upon the altar during mass.
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) he may have been doing a special alter blessing for the beach ball and giving it to an orphaned child. There are probably special alter blessing you know, or perhaps your both not as traditional as you claim or appear to be. What are you both doing for orphaned children might i ask? So high and mighty? Edited October 3, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye
Apotheoun Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 The beach ball incident was back in August . . . what's done is done.
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 The beach ball incident was back in August . . . what's done is done. There are special blessings for all kinds of things in the holy roman catholic church, you know this right?
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) Beach ball for orphaned children? Yes apteka, possibly. I love you apteka so much. :) and i'm not being smart. Edited October 3, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye
Apotheoun Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 There are special blessings for all kinds of things in the holy roman catholic church, you know this right? I do not know what he was doing. He just placed the beach ball on the altar, and then went and prayed and left the ball on the altar. He didn't do any "service" of blessing on it, so I have no idea what his intention was, but it is in the past. I am sure the ball has long since been deflated and probably thrown away.
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 I do not know what he was doing. He just placed the beach ball on the altar, and then went and prayed and left the ball on the altar. He didn't do any "service" of blessing on it, so I have no idea what his intention was, but it is in the past. I am sure the ball has long since been deflated and probably thrown away. you think it was thrown away? there is purpose in this event, i doubt it was thrown away. Do you think so little of the holy roman catholic church?
Apotheoun Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 I laughed at that Apotheoun! Of course the beach ball is gone, it's just the principle of the matter. Beach ball offering? C'mon I don't disagree with what you are saying. My Orthodox friends who saw that were stunned by what happened. But it is done, and it cannot be undone, so I have moved on.
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) I laughed at that Apotheoun! Of course the beach ball is gone, it's just the principle of the matter. Beach ball offering? C'mon Your the one posting the old picture of piety, i think there is more to it then a simple gesture, the vatican of the holy roman catholic church has more substance then that. Edited October 3, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye
Apotheoun Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 you think it was thrown away? there is purpose in this event, i doubt it was thrown away. Do you think so little of the holy roman catholic church? It is just a plastic beach ball, and so yes, I think it has probably been thrown out. After all, it was not some kind of sacred relic discovered in Brazil and brought to Rome.
Apotheoun Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 What happened is in the past and should be left there.
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) It is just a plastic beach ball, and so yes, I think it has probably been thrown out. After all, it was not some kind of sacred relic discovered in Brazil and brought to Rome. go in peace. Tab is onto you now, i don't wan't to disturb you apotheoun :) as i have seemed to everyone else. But what is peace when you have faith,hope and love right? Edited October 3, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye
Apotheoun Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 go in peace. Tab is onto you now, i don't wan't to disturb you apotheoun :) Tab, chill.
Apotheoun Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 Tab, I am not upset with you or anyone else. I do think that the focus on the beach ball is inane. It is in the past.
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) The beach ball is more a symbol than anything else The paschal mystery symbol is just a symbol too, unsure what you think symbolic is to the church. The beach ball has to have meaning, otherwise it has no symbolism. Edited October 3, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye
blazeingstar Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 Even when I was Roman Catholic I did not care what language was used for the mass. In fact, the differences between the "Ordinary Form" and the "Extraordinary Form" concern the content of the missals and not the language. After all, the normative text of the "Ordinary Form" is in Latin. The problem as I see it is one of substance, and when the prayers (even in the original Latin language) are compared, the newer missal is less rich in its theological and poetical content, while presenting the "faith" in a way that reflects the opinions of the members of the committee that wrote it. The older Roman Missal represents the historic understanding of the faith passed on, at first orally, and later in written form, within the Roman Church. That historical aspect is what connects the generation of today to those that preceded it. Still, it's written and given....historical or not, this is what we currently have and what is currently considered the normative. It's a smug told you so grin, and it's horrible. If that grin disturbs you, I'm going to take a guess either you are on something or your brain has been so damaged by said substances you are seeing into it something that it's not.
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