Republicans And The Environment

[ardillacid]

Because every bit we get rid of, we hurt the environment. 

 

That's why we support development of natural gas reserves :D

[NotreDame]

Because every bit we get rid of, we hurt the environment.

 

Not necessarily.  There are plenty of "clean coal power" technologies that can eliminate most/all of the pollutants. 

 

I'd be concerned about older plants and I'd also be concerned about certain mining techniques, but if we wanted to burn coal there are clean ways to do it.

 

 

 

[4588686]

Not necessarily.  There are plenty of "clean coal power" technologies that can eliminate most/all of the pollutants. 

 

I'd be concerned about older plants and I'd also be concerned about certain mining techniques, but if we wanted to burn coal there are clean ways to do it.

 

 

http://e360.yale.edu/feature/the_myth_of_clean_coal/2014/

[NotreDame]

http://e360.yale.edu/feature/the_myth_of_clean_coal/2014/

 

Sorry bro, but I don't consider C02 to be a pollutant. Obviously that's because I'm a completely brainwashed, egotistical, stupid republican libertarian, but that's still the way I feel.

 

 

[NotreDame]

From the outside looking in, I'd say clean burning coal is an easy hurdle.  The bigger question I'd have is wrt coal mining itself. 

[4588686]

Sorry bro, but I don't consider C02 to be a pollutant. Obviously that's because I'm a completely brainwashed, egotistical, stupid republican libertarian, but that's still the way I feel.

 

 

I don't know what being either egotistical or a libertarian has to do with it.  Plenty of libertarians and egoists are willing to engage with reality.

[4588686]

From the outside looking in, I'd say clean burning coal is an easy hurdle.  The bigger question I'd have is wrt coal mining itself. 

 

 

I guess it is if, as your last post suggests, you consider the single biggest problem with using coal as a fuel to not be a problem.  

 

"Hey, I don't consider lung cancer or emphysema unhealthy.  It should be pretty easy to develop a healthy cigarette!"

[NotreDame]

I don't know what being either egotistical or a libertarian has to do with it.  Plenty of libertarians and egoists are willing to engage with reality.

 

Are things better around the office?  Can I respond honestly or am I going to set you off again?  Let me know, I don't wanna set you off on an episode when you should be enjoying your Sunday.

[4588686]

Are things better around the office?  Can I respond honestly or am I going to set you off again?  Let me know, I don't wanna set you off on an episode when you should be enjoying your Sunday.

 

 

I don't think you've 'set me off' at all here.  Of course I you can 'respond honesty.'  I might disagree with you and tell you so.  

[NotreDame]

Yeah.  The coal industry helped Robert Byrd out a lot and used that influence to get him to protect them in the legislature.  Sorry.  But unlike some here, and based on your sad attempt at using this as a retort I guess that 'some' includes you, I'm not a party hack.  Robert Byrd spent most of his legislative career carrying water for the coal industry and that was a bad thing.  he did a bad thing.  Now, were you going to approach this topic. With intellectual integrity you could have just pointed that fact out.  Rather than use his associations with the Klan, associations he renounced decades before his death, to distract from the debate in an attempted cheap shot.  Your sad attempt is all the sadder by your apparent lack of any sense of how ironic your attack is given your profile picture of a man who supported and justified Jim Crow throughout the institutions existence, never renounced the substance of his support (only writing a pseudo apology which completely misconstrued his original position to make himself seem like less of a racist, and then carried water for an awful racist like Ronald Reagan for the remainder of his sad life.

 

 

Not really.  I just find the reflexive Hackery obnoxious.  You had a perfectly legitimate point.  That Democrates in energy industry and/or conservative state often vote about the same as Republicans generally do.  But instead you make the same shitakke mushrooms and predictable sort of point that somebody like Socrates or Sean Hannity would make.  Given that I work in an industry where I'm surrounded by thoughtless spin constantly I find it incredibly grating when it creeps into other facets if my life.

 

I don't think you've 'set me off' at all here.  Of course I you can 'respond honesty.'  I might disagree with you and tell you so.  

 

Or you might call me a sad, reflexive hack, then complain about your workplace.  Since nobody is paying attention to this thread anymore except you and me, I'd rather you just enjoy your sunday without risk of being "grated" again.

[4588686]

Or you might call me a sad, reflexive hack, then complain about your workplace.  Since nobody is paying attention to this thread anymore except you and me, I'd rather you just enjoy your sunday without risk of being "grated" again.

 

 

Sorry but you throwing out that Robert Byrd was once a member of the Klan in response to my comment that the coal industry has done bad things in West Virginian politics is, in my opinion, a hackish thing to do.  I would say that because people like Sean Hannity used exactly that tactic constantly and it's a classic attempt at flame bait.  I'm happy to admit that Robert Byrd did a lot of bad things in his life and did many bad things at the behest of the coal industry.  But that has absolutely nothing to do with his ties to the Klan which he renounced decades previous.

 

So, to be honest I find it a little disingenuous on your part when you post an inflammatory, photoshopped image and then seem shocked and appalled when somebody points out that your tactics are hackish.  

 

That being said, just because I am pointed doesn't mean that I am angry or dislike you personally.  I engage in hackery too.  

[NotreDame]

Dude, you brought up corrupt WV politicians.   Who do you expect to come to mind?  Joe Manchin?  No, obviously Robert Byrd is the best known WV politician and will remain so for many years.  He held the same state-wide elected post for over 50 years. 

 

He was not simply a KKK member, but he led his local chapter.  It's a defining characteristic in my mind.  Showing a picture of him in a klan uniform is therefore not inflammatory, it's not slander, it's a true, instructive representation of the man and it's entirely relevant if you are discussing corrupt WV politics. 

 

You didn't like it because you were having a bad day at work.

[4588686]

Dude, you brought up corrupt WV politicians.   Who do you expect to come to mind?  Joe Manchin?  No, obviously Robert Byrd is the best known WV politician and will remain so for many years.  He held the same state-wide elected post for over 50 years. 

 

He was not simply a KKK member, but he led his local chapter.  It's a defining characteristic in my mind.  Showing a picture of him in a klan uniform is therefore not inflammatory, it's not slander, it's a true, instructive representation of the man and it's entirely relevant if you are discussing corrupt WV politics. 

 

You didn't like it because you were having a bad day at work.

 

 

I brought up that coal industry's role in negatively influencing West Virginia elections.  He was a leader of a local chapter in the 1940s.  That has zero to do with the coal industry.  If you are trying to claim that you think showing a photo-shopped image of Robert Byrd towards the end of his life, six decades after he left the klan, in a conversation with zero relevance to his involvement in the Klan was intended to be a neutral act then I would say you are either exceptionally naive or are simply being disingenuous.  You were clearly trying to get a rise out of me.  

 

I was not having a bad day at work.  You have a habit on this thread of severely twisting or reading into my words (like your weird claim that I said that we should move beyond labels).  I said that the industry (industry=/= individual office) is often saturated with spin (I work in politics) and that I therefore find it irksome when I come across that same sort of mindless spin in my personal life.  I find it particularly annoying from Socrates because he has a long and distinguished habit of attaching straw-men and being, in my opinion, intellectually dishonest.  

[NotreDame]

Don't you have a March for Life after-party you should be hitting up today?

[4588686]

Don't you have a March for Life after-party you should be hitting up today?

 

 

I accept your surrender.  

[NotreDame]

If you are trying to claim that you think showing a photo-shopped image of Robert Byrd towards the end of his life, six decades after he left the klan, in a conversation with zero relevance to his involvement in the Klan was intended to be a neutral act then I would say you are either exceptionally naive or are simply being disingenuous.  You were clearly trying to get a rise out of me.

 

It's incredibly relevant to show that a partisan Democratic hack racist hypocrite like Robert Byrd is knee deep in the "icky dirty coal trade" you were talking about.  Especially on a thread asking why "republicans are against the environment."  

 

It's also a bit self-centered to consider yourself the object and audience of my posts.  I posted it to make a point to other readers.  Your response was... disproportionate... which is why I've been recommending you go out and have some fun, maybe go have some beers with the pro-life girls... you know you want to.

 

 

[4588686]

It's incredibly relevant to show that a partisan Democratic hack racist hypocrite like Robert Byrd is knee deep in the "icky dirty coal trade" you were talking about.  Especially on a thread asking why "republicans are against the environment."  

 

It's also a bit self-centered to consider yourself the object and audience of my posts.  I posted it to make a point to other readers.  Your response was... disproportionate... which is why I've been recommending you go out and have some fun, maybe go have some beers with the pro-life girls... you know you want to.

 

 

That would be relevant.  But, of course, you didn't show that.  You showed a photoshopped picture of the dead Byrd in the uniform of a terrorist group that he long ago denounced.  Which has zero to do with his extensive ties to the coal industry which he fostered to the detriment of his constituents.

 

[4588686]

Any-who, back to the point that began this tangent.  Being a libertarian or an egoist has nothing to do with thinking that it's totally not a problem that a major energy industry pumps huge amounts of c02 into the atmosphere.  Plenty of libertarians and egoists live in the real world where things like c02 can seriously negatively effect the climate.  

[NotreDame]

That would be relevant.  But, of course, you didn't show that.  You showed a photoshopped picture of the dead Byrd in the uniform of a terrorist group that he long ago denounced.  Which has zero to do with his extensive ties to the coal industry which he fostered to the detriment of his constituents.

 

 

Actually, I linked to a number of things in that post... and I found the photo funny and felt it help make the point.  If I didn't clearly enunciate it, it's because I was giving credit to the reader to connect the dots.

 

Any-who, back to the point that began this tangent.  Being a libertarian or an egoist has nothing to do with thinking that it's totally not a problem that a major energy industry pumps huge amounts of c02 into the atmosphere.  Plenty of libertarians and egoists live in the real world where things like c02 can seriously negatively effect the climate.  

 

OK, well I'm one of those folks that doesn't consider CO2 to be a pollutant.   I'm not sure what aspect of reality makes CO2 a pollutant.   When CO2 is demonstrated to have a causal relationship with bad stuff, then I'd be willing to reconsider.  Thus far it hasn't happened. 

[4588686]

Actually, I linked to a number of things in that post... and I found the photo funny and felt it help make the point.  If I didn't clearly enunciate it, it's because I was giving credit to the reader to connect the dots.

 

 

OK, well I'm one of those folks that doesn't consider CO2 to be a pollutant.   I'm not sure what aspect of reality makes CO2 a pollutant.   When CO2 is demonstrated to have a causal relationship with bad stuff, then I'd be willing to reconsider.  Thus far it hasn't happened. 

 

 

You linked two things.  One was the part of the wikipedia page that covered Byrd's associations with the Klan and the other was a wikipedia list of West Virginia Senators.  I'm missing the point you were trying to make except for the fact that Byrd was in the Klan.