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[Didacus]

[quote name='Freaky Chik' post='21726' date='Aug 24 2003, 02:37 AM']do you guys read yer bibles in your own personal time???[/quote]

Yes I do, and with my children as well (though not as often with my children) and I openly encourage my children to read the bible. We have a family bible which I place in the place of honour in our library and repeat to anyone who asks that there will never be a book more important than the bible.

Any more questions?

[Didacus]

[quote name='Dave' post='21752' date='Aug 24 2003, 10:01 AM']St. Isidore (560-636 AD) Bishop and Doctor of the Church

"Prayer purifies us, reading instructs us... If a man wants to be always in God's company, he must pray regularly and read regularly. When we pray, we talk to God; when we read, God talks to us.[/quote]

That's a great quote! Love it!

[Didacus]

[quote name='VeraMaria' post='21754' date='Aug 24 2003, 10:08 AM']Those two articles were cool....I just love when people post things like that, I learn so much!! [/quote]

ditto

[reyb]

[quote name='Didacus' post='1730513' date='Dec 17 2008, 03:23 PM']ditto[/quote]
[indent]Of course, you are not forbidden to read the bible.
Maybe the question should be - Are you allowed to interpret the bible.[/indent]

[homeschoolmom]

I miss PedroX

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Winchester' post='21729' date='Aug 24 2003, 12:06 AM']Always always always demand the name of a document when someone lays an allegation of such ridiculosity (it's not as word, but it darn well should be) at your doorstep.

Then, when they're stuttering about it and confused, push them over like a sleeping cow.[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
i love the winchester smack downs

[StColette]

[quote name='PedroX' post='21715' date='Aug 24 2003, 12:49 AM']I can counter many false charges laid against the Church, but I don't know how to counter the "forbidden to read the Bible" charge. Can anybody help me with this?
peace...[/quote]

Grab your Bible and start reading out loud to them

[reyb]

[quote name='StColette' post='1730707' date='Dec 17 2008, 06:01 PM']Grab your Bible and start reading out loud to them [/quote]
[indent]You are allowed to read it but you are forbidden to interpret it yourself. Why reading it anyway. [/indent]

[Giolla]

[quote name='reyb' post='1730731' date='Dec 17 2008, 07:32 PM'][indent]You are allowed to read it but you are forbidden to interpret it yourself. Why reading it anyway. [/indent][/quote]

We are taught on how to interpret scripture so that we do not get anything wrong. We read because it is the word of God.

[Marelise]

[quote name='Winchester' post='21729' date='Aug 24 2003, 02:06 AM']Always always always demand the name of a document when someone lays an allegation of such ridiculosity (it's not as word, but it darn well should be) at your doorstep.

Then, when they're stuttering about it and confused, push them over like a sleeping cow.[/quote]
Who is this man? I like him.

[jeffpugh]

Hahaha. Classic thread. I love it. Those were the days... heck, threads like these was the reason I came to PM.

[Paddington]

[quote name='StColette' post='1730707' date='Dec 17 2008, 06:01 PM']Grab your Bible and start reading out loud to them [/quote]

You totally win the internet.

[Winchester]

I knew I'd seen it somewhere before. 2003! Holy man skirt!

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='littleflower+JMJ' post='21720' date='Aug 24 2003, 02:02 AM']okay i'm not ironmonk nor am i likos but i can say that we do inDouche read the bible.[/quote]



I'd almost forgotten about that word being part of the fiddler way back when...

[RandomProddy]

[quote name='Dave' post='21753' date='Aug 24 2003, 03:04 PM']It reveals that at Westminster School, and probably at Saint Paul's, too, that "a boy who knew Latin and presumed to speak English, or even French, had a cut of the cane for every word so spoken..."

..Unlike today’s students, they had strict discipline and they began the day with a prayer. They followed that with a recitation of the Creed, the Lord's Prayer, and then a request to the Blessed Virgin Mary that she join her own prayers with theirs to Jesus Christ, and then they sang the Psalms.[/quote]

Some english public schools aren't that far off from this model. Latin at my old school is still compulsory up to 14 and we still meet at chapel every morning before first lesson, though most of the lessons are now in English

[reyb]

[quote name='Giolla' post='1730850' date='Dec 17 2008, 09:12 PM']We are taught on how to interpret scripture so that we do not get anything wrong. We read because it is the word of God.[/quote]
[indent]Of course, you are allowed to read and allowed to interpret and guided by them how to interpret it. In short, you are allowed all of these things but it should be in accordance to their 'instructions, faith and doctrine '. You cannot 'interpret' it different from the Church doctrine otherwise you will be expelled. But suppose you see something not right or different from the Church established doctrine and then, inquire it to your priest or bishop, Do you think they will 'correct, rebuke and encourage you with great patience and careful instruction'? When we say 'careful instruction' it simply mean you must understand it with 'careful reasoning'. They should not say 'just believe it even without proper reasoning'.

I will give you a sample question if you want and let see if they will 'correct, rebuke and encourage you with great patience and careful instruction'. [/indent]

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='reyb' post='1730731' date='Dec 17 2008, 07:32 PM'][indent]You are allowed to read it but you are forbidden to interpret it yourself. Why reading it anyway. [/indent][/quote]
Of course we are allowed to interpret it as long as we use common sense. But it would to be silly to reinvent the wheel, don't ya think?/? Since the Scriptures are a church document, the church are the experts at explaining what it means.

[reyb]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1733107' date='Dec 21 2008, 12:01 PM']Of course we are allowed to interpret it as long as we use common sense. But it would to be silly to reinvent the wheel, don't ya think?/? Since the Scriptures are a church document, the church are the experts at explaining what it means.[/quote]

[indent]Cmotherofpril, the Bible are not Roman Catholic Church's document because if that is true how about the Jewishs' canon - do they owned it also?. it is better to say, your Church compiled it into one book but, it does not mean, they 'owned' it or each and every books included in that bible comes from your Church. [/indent]

[Winchester]

[quote name='reyb' post='1733137' date='Dec 21 2008, 12:21 PM'][indent]Cmotherofpril, the Bible are not Roman Catholic Church's document because if that is true how about the Jewishs' canon - do they owned it also?. it is better to say, your Church compiled it into one book but, it does not mean, they 'owned' it or each and every books included in that bible comes from your Church. [/indent][/quote]
If one views the Catholic Church as the fulfillment of the Jewish faith, then CM's usage (even as interpreted (bizarrely) by you) is proper.

[MithLuin]

[b]reyb[/b], to addres the heart of your question, Catholics engage in Bible studies in which we read passages of the Bible and then discuss what they mean to us and our lives. If someone said something rather wacky, I'm sure the leader (likely another layperson, not a priest) would seek to gently correct the person.

So yes, we use what the Church teaches in our own reading and interpretation of the Bible, of course. But I have never had anyone tell me I "can't interpret" the Bible. Nor do I have a 'problem' with the Church's teaching. There is allowable room for speculation; not everything is set in stone. Orthodoxy sets a boundary, and you must stay within the bounds so as not to contradict other aspects of faith. It is, after all, possible to stray into error through ignorance. But within those bounds, you are welcome to form various interpretations of different scriptual passages. Those boundaries help to lead us to the Truth, they don't keep us from it.

Edited December 21, 2008 by MithLuin