Hitler - It Was All The Protestants' Faults

[Nihil Obstat]

it's not racist because you're not referring to the French as a people, you are referring to the French government at the time.

[NotreDame]

it's not racist because you're not referring to the French as a people, you are referring to the French government at the time.

Yes, thank you.

[Didacus]

Actually - Hitler hated the French long before WWI...

How much do you really know about history?

[NotreDame]

Actually - Hitler hated the French long before WWI...

How much do you really know about history?

 

I once sat in on an argument in Spanish between my French and German roommates debating who was worse, Hitler or Napoleon - and it was a very serious, heated debate.

 

As for Hitler, I'm sure he could have had a myriad of reasons.  In this context I was simply pointing out that, as I understood it, post-WWI, any anti-french attitudes on the part of the Germans would be understandable.

 

And I am sure with regard to history that I do not know enough and never will.

[Didacus]

And you should not pretend to either.

 

Vive l'Empereur!

[Ice_nine]

I'm racist against the French, especially the Canadian variety.

 

Might as well show all my cards.

[NotreDame]

I'm racist against the French, especially the Canadian variety.

[Didacus]

They were jerks in that the USA came in and really helped them overwhelm the germans, giving them a ton of leverage at versaille and unrealistic reparations in the treaty that they wouldn't have had otherwise. 

 

When it was clear the german economy was collapsing, rather than back off like the british and americans wanted, the french disagreed and kept renegotiating (to compensate for the falling mark), and finally invaded the ruhr as an effort to get their pound of flesh. 

 

that's how I understand it.  Kind of jerky.

 

 

 

 

The enemy did only what was expected. And we ought to learn from the stand he took and the way he acted.

 

 

Hitler, Mein Kampf

 

 

 

Hitler understood what the French did, he only objected to Germany being on the losing end.  But he admitedly would have done the same thing had things been the other way around.  So I guess the 'jerkiness' was mutual... (have a look into history and how often Germany and France exchanged blows, this might shed a bit of light on the affair.  To simply say 'well, the French were jerks after WWI' is really to over simplify things altogehter  Even hear of the Napoleonic wars?  Read up on Alsace and Loraine while you're at it and Strasbourg. Just saying...)

 

And according to Hitler, the only reason the US and Britain backed off was because they did not want to see France become too strong on the Europeen and world stage, not because they wanted to be 'nice' to the Germans.

 

He does have particular insight in the whole situation.

[Era Might]

There could be a number of reasons why Catholics were less likely to vote for Hitler, none of it really has any substantial religious significance. Germany was the heart of Protestantism, number one, and Catholics were part of a church that had a lot of historical baggage related to the Holy Roman Empire (Catholicism lost a lot of its clout in southern Europe as northern European countries emerged as nation-states). Catholic bishops were part of an international structure, whereas German Protestantism was more domestic. Also, weren't German Catholics very heavy in the Munich/Prussia regions, which I believe were more "folksy" than Berlin (the urban capital).

Edited March 25, 2014 by Era Might

[AugustineA]

 

I met this guy. He actually acts like Dwight in real life. 

[RC Patriot]

A sadder statistic is the one that Catholics today are now more likely to have an abortion than Protestants [Evangelicals]. What is hapenning to the world?

[4588686]

Hey, they guy who regularly posts racists rants against Muslims thinks that Hitler has some interesting observations in Mein Kampf

 

I'm shocked, shocked.  

[Didacus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY_DqzLGpCk

 

 

[Didacus]

I have finished reading Hitler's book.  I can honestly say that I have gained some undertanding and context into the events leading to the second world war, however i would not recommend the reading to any young or impresionnable person.

 

I can affirm with confidence that anyone who believes Hitler was nothing more than a crazed lunatic is making a grave error.  Many of the statements he makes do hold some plausible logic, and only when stepping back and looking at the whole objectively can someone effectively depict the more consequential errors of his political philosophies.  Short of understanding the view point he poses (including the faults and errors), one cannot effectively oppose them when discussing the matter with someone convinced of such view points; for this reason alone it is worth reading.

 

 

As for the original post of this thread; of course it is ridiculous to pose blame for WWII on either catholics or protestants or other specific groups, and I believe it is a moot point to even discuss in this matter.

 

The best explanation on the cause of WWII I would have to say is best expressed in pope John Paul the Great's biography actually!  The papa viewed WWII are simply a continuation of WWI, in fact, all the history from WWI to the end of the cold war was in his view the continuation of the one and same conflict which may have slowed at times, but was never truly over throughout the course of 80+ years.  Of course, this over simplifies it, but I am mentionning it only to show that WWII is not just a unilateral 'good' versus 'evil' conflict; there were many complex factors at play and WWII (and its content) did not simply 'happen' one day by accident... it was planned, driven, wanted and executed on many fronts with of course disatrous effects for most.  We should never deminish the lessons of this conflict into caricatures and always seek to understand the whole altogether as much as we possibly can.