Capitalism Is Perfect Or Not?

[havok579257]

In the other thread you said there are some specific things the Pope mentioned.  What are they or what is just one that is most important to you?

 

Note that because of capitalism children no longer need to work and we have much more leisure time than those just 100 years ago.  We ALL are more rich because of capitalism, including the poor.  You're only looking at "the rich" and not the rest of us who are also much better off because of this system.

 

And you are failing to look at the problem which so many often see as a solution, and that is that of government manipulation of the economy and a government that pays itself and its cronies handsomely.

 

 

actually its because of unions, children no longer need to work.  they fought for workers rights.

 

you tell me if all those kids who require government assistance for school lunches and only eat one meal a day are better off.  you tell me if children who die because they can't afford healthcare are better off.  for as much money as this country has the problems we have continue to get worse.  if capitalism is so great why are our problems getting worse and not better?  capitalism is great for the rich and upper middle class.  its horrible for the working poor and low to middle class.  

 

except its not all the government.  some of it is yes, but capitalism is about profit and more profit.  its about "this is my money and i shouldn't have to share it with anyone".  its about forcing one worker to do the job of 2 so you can fire 1 and only pay 1 salary for the work of 2 people.   

[NotreDame]

its weak to blame capitalist failings on so called socialist policies.  everyone brings up socialist policies but i don't know if people even know what real socialism looks like.  

 

also the rich do make people poor because get poor people's tax money for their business.  they get tax breaks left and right.  does the poor guy get a tax break?  does he get credit or a discount at the service the rich guy is providing since the poor man's tax money had to be given to the rich man because he of course could never start a business without all that tax money.

 

except sports are or have almost fazed out the lower to middle class of people.  the cost of going to 1 football game a year is pricing out the middle to low class.  not to mention sports owner have their own monopolies and can do what they want.  again loo at football.  they say if they don't sell out home games then those games will not be aired on tv.  well the cost of going to a home game with just gas, tickets, parking and little food prices out the middle to low class.  so not only does the nfl keep low to middle class people from seeing a game live but they also keep them from seeing the game on tv.  so i have no idea where you get nominal price from.  the nfl, nba, mlb, nhl and mls all have a monopoly and can do what they want to the people who are "forced" to give them money.  Nearly every stadium or arena gets some form of tax money, our money.  Something we have no choice over in a lot of instances but then are priced out of going to these places.  

 

 

actually its because of unions, children no longer need to work.  they fought for workers rights.

 

you tell me if all those kids who require government assistance for school lunches and only eat one meal a day are better off.  you tell me if children who die because they can't afford healthcare are better off.  for as much money as this country has the problems we have continue to get worse.  if capitalism is so great why are our problems getting worse and not better?  capitalism is great for the rich and upper middle class.  its horrible for the working poor and low to middle class.  

 

except its not all the government.  some of it is yes, but capitalism is about profit and more profit.  its about "this is my money and i shouldn't have to share it with anyone".  its about forcing one worker to do the job of 2 so you can fire 1 and only pay 1 salary for the work of 2 people.   

[havok579257]

 

 

the classic child like retort.  good job buddy.  easiest way to show your level of intellect and maturity is to insult people who are trying to have a real conversation.  slow clap for you.

[Pliny]

actually its because of unions, children no longer need to work.  they fought for workers rights.

 

 

Children don't NEED to work anymore.  Unions didn't wave a magic wand and cause production to increase.  It was capitalism that did that.

 

except its not all the government.  some of it is yes, but capitalism is about profit and more profit.  its about "this is my money and i shouldn't have to share it with anyone".  its about forcing one worker to do the job of 2 so you can fire 1 and only pay 1 salary for the work of 2 people.   

 

 

Capitalism is not charity, that's for sure, but capitalists do share and so do those who work for them.

If one person can do the job of two, then only one person is needed.  I don't understand your reasoning.  The other person is then freed to be more productive and we are all better off because of it.

 

Again, you mentioned in the other thread where the Pope was "spot-on" regarding criticisms of Capitalism.  What is one of those criticisms?

[havok579257]

Children don't NEED to work anymore.  Unions didn't wave a magic wand and cause production to increase.  It was capitalism that did that.

 

 

Capitalism is not charity, that's for sure, but capitalists do share and so do those who work for them.

If one person can do the job of two, then only one person is needed.  I don't understand your reasoning.  The other person is then freed to be more productive and we are all better off because of it.

 

Again, you mentioned in the other thread where the Pope was "spot-on" regarding criticisms of Capitalism.  What is one of those criticisms?

 

 

no, children are not ALLOWED to work anymore by law.  Children not working is because of a law not because all families have more than enough money.

 

forcing someone to do the job of 2 is not ideal.  that person has more work, less time with family, less free time ad more demands but for the same pay.  more responsiblity but for no more pay.  the other person is not free, they are jobless.  all to save money that goes into the owners hands.  when a worker is forced to nnot only work while on the clock but while off the clock just to cover his new job assingment and get no more pay out of it and in lots of instances takes a pay cut just to keep his job, well that's not right.  thats essentially holding the worker hostage.   its the same idea behind owners who contract work out of country because they can pay workers in other countries next to nothing for the same job here because they don't have anything like child labor laws or minimum wage like we do here.  is that a positive thing from capitalism?  that they ship jobs overseas so they can pay people 0.25 cents and hour and make even more profit instead of properly paying people here to do the job?

[NotreDame]

the classic child like retort.  good job buddy.  easiest way to show your level of intellect and maturity is to insult people who are trying to have a real conversation.  slow clap for you.

 

 

First, capitalism isn't a form of government.

 

Second, no capitalists claim that capitalism will form a utopian society; it's only anti-capitalists that have ever laid claim to the keys to utopia.

 

So... Are you sure you understand enough on the subject to engage in, let alone initiate a debate on the subject?

[add]

Capitalism may not be perfect but it beats the poo out of Godless communism

Edited March 11, 2014 by add

[Winchester]

its weak to blame capitalist failings on so called socialist policies.  everyone brings up socialist policies but i don't know if people even know what real socialism looks like.  

 

also the rich do make people poor because get poor people's tax money for their business.  they get tax breaks left and right.  does the poor guy get a tax break?  does he get credit or a discount at the service the rich guy is providing since the poor man's tax money had to be given to the rich man because he of course could never start a business without all that tax money.

 

except sports are or have almost fazed out the lower to middle class of people.  the cost of going to 1 football game a year is pricing out the middle to low class.  not to mention sports owner have their own monopolies and can do what they want.  again loo at football.  they say if they don't sell out home games then those games will not be aired on tv.  well the cost of going to a home game with just gas, tickets, parking and little food prices out the middle to low class.  so not only does the nfl keep low to middle class people from seeing a game live but they also keep them from seeing the game on tv.  so i have no idea where you get nominal price from.  the nfl, nba, mlb, nhl and mls all have a monopoly and can do what they want to the people who are "forced" to give them money.  Nearly every stadium or arena gets some form of tax money, our money.  Something we have no choice over in a lot of instances but then are priced out of going to these places.  

The only real socialism is anarcho-socialism.

 

I am glad you go on to oppose fascism. Glad to see you change your previous support of it.

[havok579257]

Capitalism may not be perfect but it beats the poo out of Godless communism

 

 

gee i didn't know there was only capitalism and communism.

[CrossCuT]

Our country has been going down the drain since the 70s when the government refused to regulate those greedy top dogs. Then, they destroyed our  housing market, banks, etc.

They have been funneling money up to the top without anyone stopping them. Why? because all the politicians are in on it and its a big LOL party.

 

Taxes and prices are going up for the rest of us and none of this money is trickling down. We are creating a huge gap and the world is going to end.

 

 

Why does the top 1% who hold pretty much all the wealth of the nation need MOAR money and less taxes to create jobs? 

 

:hehe2:

 

"QQQQQ we are too poor to make new jobs!"

 

 

STFU

Edited March 11, 2014 by CrossCuT

[Pliny]

So many suckers who have been bamboozled by liberalism, and who have bought into making "the rich" the scapegoats...

 

It's sad to see Catholics on their bandwagon and believing that those who have created the problems and who demonize the rich and the free market are somehow a solution.

 

 

[maximillion]

 

 

The rich don't make people poor, except in situations where the rich can prey upon the poor, which is not the case in a truly free market system in a country with good laws that are enforced.

 

 

And I wonder if someone could point me to the planet where there IS a truly free market system and good laws that are enforced......er it's not earth!

 

 

Since it is true that the majority of the resources and wealth is held by a minority of people and nations, and that without exception they are all capitalist, it must surely follow that capitalism is somehow involved in producing that effect.......

[CrossCuT]

So many suckers who have been bamboozled by liberalism, and who have bought into making "the rich" the scapegoats...

 

It's sad to see Catholics on their bandwagon and believing that those who have created the problems and who demonize the rich and the free market are somehow a solution.

 

You cant look at me straight faced and tell me that the unregulated housing loan schemes from the 70s didnt cause a huge whopping problem. 

 

Obama even said "Lets regulate it so they cant literally steal money from the people anymore" Did he? No.

 

The same people are stealing money as we speak and destroying our economy as a result. BUT, they make tons $$$ and money buys power.

Edited March 11, 2014 by CrossCuT

[havok579257]

So many suckers who have been bamboozled by liberalism, and who have bought into making "the rich" the scapegoats...

 

It's sad to see Catholics on their bandwagon and believing that those who have created the problems and who demonize the rich and the free market are somehow a solution.

 

 

yes sir mr.foxnews.  if your don't support capitalism and giving the rich more money through more tax breaks you must be a liberal.  life is so black and white.  well since all people who don't tow the foxnews line must be liberal then i gladly stand with the catholic church who must also be liberal since they have issues with capitalism

 

the rich are to blame a lot, plain and simple.  they refuse to start new business's unless they get massive tax breaks.  all you hear about is they reinvest their money that they make, but that is false.  they keep most of it to themselves.  they instead use tax payer money for their business.  although i guess thats another positive of capitalism.  give the rich tax breaks, but not the working poor or middle class and that way the rich don't have to reinvest their money into starting up new business.  perfect example is kansas and missuouri, to very conservative states.  they make cuts to education, welfare, helping those who are in the most need(children, handicap) all the while giving massive tax breaks to companies so they set up shop in their state.  they even go so far as eliminating all taxes from business's in hopes they come to the state.  the problem is studies have shown, these tax breaks do nothing to reduce unemployment but instead just give the rich more money. of course what kind of society wouyld we be without giving the rich more money and not making them pay any taxes.  of course we could never think to give the middle class tax breaks.  that would be like socialism right there.

Edited March 11, 2014 by havok579257

[NotreDame]

gee i didn't know there was only capitalism and communism.

In the broad sense you could say there is only capitalism and communism (ie. marxism.)  It depends on how one defines them.  Neither are very precise and most people (including yourself as I pointed out early in this thread) misunderstand the meanings of both.)