Guns As A " God-given Right"

[superblue]

If they're willing to maim babies over a plant, just imagine what they'll do over a gun. http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/swat-throws-grenade-in-playpen/

It is a crying shame the evil that is put upon children, either purposefully or not,  I have started to change my prayers to the prevention of such things happening to innocent children and people in general, instead of only waiting for something like this to happen and then pray for help...

 

But you are right more violence would be engaged to take a gun versus a drug raid, and shame on that swat team and those in charge for being too lazy to do their job with professionalism and more detailed research.   In the end everyone loses over such instances, their reputation is now down the toilet, and when their local citizens start to distrust their local law enforcement over such incidents they have no one to blame but themselves.... And a spoiler alert to that link about graphic photos would have been appreciated. 

[Winchester]

Those who advocate the initiation of violence ought to have the stomach to see the result of their desires.

[Credo in Deum]

Like taking candy from a stunned burned baby. 

[Benedictus]

Apparently in Benedictus's country people are a lot dumber than Americans.

 

The crime stats and prison numbers for the US in comparison speak for themselves! Maybe you could poll the countries of the world on what they think of the US gov. Don't get upset easily :hehe2:

Edited June 4, 2014 by Benedictus

[Winchester]

The crime stats and prison numbers for the US in comparison speak for themselves! Maybe you could poll the countries of the world on what they think of the US gov. Don't get upset easily :hehe2:

 

The US has a high incarceration rate due to the idiotic drug war. It's something people who don't believe in ubermensch (that would be me, not you) feel is a human rights abuse.

[Norseman82]

If they're willing to maim babies over a plant, just imagine what they'll do over a gun. http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/swat-throws-grenade-in-playpen/

 

Mankind was kicked out of the Garden of Eden over not following the rules to stay away from a certain plant.  One would think we would have learned our lesson by now. 

[Benedictus]

Mankind was kicked out of the Garden of Eden over not following the rules to stay away from a certain plant.  One would think we would have learned our lesson by now. 

 

ha! Maybe if the story had them chop that tree down for smoking our plight could have all been averted! :think:

[Winchester]

Mankind was kicked out of the Garden of Eden over not following the rules to stay away from a certain plant.  One would think we would have learned our lesson by now. 

 

You're comparing the DEA's rules to God's. You're worse at this than you are at talking to women.

[superblue]

Those who advocate the initiation of violence ought to have the stomach to see the result of their desires.

 there is a difference between that article though and this topic at hand, and I doubt anyone here actually " desires violence "  that article you linked would have been better off on Alex Jones website infowars so everyone there could gripe and moan about how horrible law enforcement is.

[Winchester]

 there is a difference between that article though and this topic at hand, and I doubt anyone here actually " desires violence "  that article you linked would have been better off on Alex Jones website infowars so everyone there could gripe and moan about how horrible law enforcement is.

 

You call that event "law enforcement"?

[Norseman82]

You're comparing the DEA's rules to God's. You're worse at this than you are at talking to women.

 

As opposed to comparing the right to legitimate defense protected by the second amendment to somebody's so-called right (not in the constitution) to sell poison on the streets? 

 

Your face is worse at this than it is at keeping mirrors intact.  :harhar:

Edited June 4, 2014 by Norseman82

[Winchester]

As opposed to comparing the right to legimate defense to somebody's so-called right to sell poison on the streets? 

 

Your face is worse at this than it is at keeping mirrors intact.  :harhar:

Why do you believe you possess the right to attack and then throw people in cages for vices?

[Norseman82]

Why do you believe you possess the right to attack and then throw people in cages for vices?

 

They wouldn't be attacked and thrown in cages if they hadn't misbehaved in the first place. 

[superblue]

You call that event "law enforcement"?

 I wouldn't call it random strangers with flash bangs and weapons just willy nilly walking into a home and going nanners on people.   Last I checked, a S.W.A.T team falls under the category of law enforcement, now if you want to say the situation did not even need to take place I would agree with you in that it was a gross use of force and a lot of people from the top down should be held accountable. 

 

If you want to argue anything what about civilians using guns or any weapons to protect themselves from such a gross use of police / law enforcement ..... or better yet, what if law enforcement goes gang busters into the wrong house altogether, and the home owner is a law abiding citizen who owns a legal weapon, and decides to protect his home and himself at 2 am when a strike team enters scaring the living day lights out of him and his family? Are we really expected to just roll over and take it and possibly face the same results as this child did or worse.

 

This article that you posted, just doesn't fit into this topic of human rights or guns as a human rights issue which I have already addressed, it is more centered on law enforcement and  the over use of law enforcement and if you have not seen infowars, it is worth at least a look, I think that article would be a better fit for that crowd and Alex Jones.

[Justin Netzel]

In addressing gun rights as a "god given right" lets look at how the greatest pacifist of all time (Jesus) viewed it. He obviously "condoned" it otherwise he would not have allowed his disciple Peter to carry a sword in the garden of Gethsemane. You can also bet that the other disciples had weapons as well due to the fact that the soldiers had a confrontation in the garden rather than an all out brawl. If God was against it He would've prohibited it, but instead, being a God that understands His creation and the inherent component of the soul called free will, he gave the maxim he who lives by the sword dies by the sword. Meaning if you choose to not respect life and live by taking from others someone is going to take your life in self defense of either their life or property. Carrying a gun is not living by the sword, rather it understands that others do live by the sword because someone is always going to use their free will to inflict violence on others to live i.e. robbing a convenience store/bank/house/victim in modern day society. Even common sense to me says guns are necessary for self defense. Why do you think cops carry them? intimidation? It's a perk but the main reason is to defend themselves. If they can then so should I, unless i can get a 24/7 cop nanny to defend my life and property for me

[superblue]

Winchester just an F.Y.I , that baby photo / article that I was commenting on, I did see that story mentioned on a news channel recently as I was flipping through, so the incident has made its way around , and hopefully with further prayers that child will fully recover and live a healthy and happy life.

[PhuturePriest]

I find it interesting how this thread still goes on, even though I stopped caring about its existence 23 pages ago. I'm not saying it shouldn't go on because I lost interest -- I'm rather marveling at how people can not be bored out of their minds 25 pages in.

[superblue]

well if you notice, people are not re reading all 25 pages, then commenting, it is more a thread that has self evolved . But still centering on the endless debate of when an how to use weapons. Next it will be okay exactly how many times should one shoot a gun .  We already had the government try and limit all guns to a max of 7 rounds  and clip size for other rifles , next someone is going to be like wait wait you can only pull the trigger if you ask the other person first if they have a gun, if their gun is loaded, if they intend on using that gun against you, if they are going to shoot more than 2 times and where do they plan on shooting you. And then after that someone in the government will require both parities sign a paper stating that they were completely aware of the dangers of using a fire arm and that the government or at least the democrat party begged them to consider other means to defend themselves. After that, there will be a new law, that people who are faced with violence but grab a cell phone, lie in the fetal position behind a bush or rock, and call 911 and ask that a police officer be sent to save them.  And then criminals will be forced to take an oath to not use guns when all guns are hence forth removed from the hands of law abiding citizens after all previous laws were ineffective.

 

 

The only allowable form of self defense in the near future will be crying and running around in circles waving your arms in the air frantically but only if you are wearing non offensive clothing.

[Winchester]

They wouldn't be attacked and thrown in cages if they hadn't misbehaved in the first place. 

Doesn't answer the question.

[Winchester]

 I wouldn't call it random strangers with flash bangs and weapons just willy nilly walking into a home and going nanners on people.   Last I checked, a S.W.A.T team falls under the category of law enforcement, now if you want to say the situation did not even need to take place I would agree with you in that it was a gross use of force and a lot of people from the top down should be held accountable. 

 

If you want to argue anything what about civilians using guns or any weapons to protect themselves from such a gross use of police / law enforcement ..... or better yet, what if law enforcement goes gang busters into the wrong house altogether, and the home owner is a law abiding citizen who owns a legal weapon, and decides to protect his home and himself at 2 am when a strike team enters scaring the living day lights out of him and his family? Are we really expected to just roll over and take it and possibly face the same results as this child did or worse.

 

This article that you posted, just doesn't fit into this topic of human rights or guns as a human rights issue which I have already addressed, it is more centered on law enforcement and  the over use of law enforcement and if you have not seen infowars, it is worth at least a look, I think that article would be a better fit for that crowd and Alex Jones.

That story is but one of many. It fits in insofar as it points out that the government engages in the use of disproportionate force.

 

When you say "law-abiding", why do I get the feeling you mean "legislation-abiding"?