Cliven Bundy

[havok579257]

Perhaps I just love my country. Maybe I don't like the insurrectionists who want to tear it apart.

If patriotism is murder then I deserve the death penalty.

 

 

patriotism is not murder.  saying bundy and his ilk should be "taken out" during eating is murder.  Country does not come before faith.  Its against catholic teaching to support someone be "taken out".

[havok579257]

Dont bother. At this point the conversation is lost. regardless of what you say youre a murder lover. Accept it. Embrace it.

 

 

just because you disagree with everything winchester says doesn't make it false.  The poster advocates having Bundy and family "taken out".  Cold blooded murder is against catholic teaching and is never legit.  No matter who is the intended target.  Catholic teaching comes before love of state.

[Winchester]

Especially when they do not represent any physical threat at all. Bundy's rejection of arbitrary changes to the agreement is a peaceful dispute. The BLM was paid to manage the lands over which Bundy held grazing rights. They were not fulfilling their duty, so Bundy quit paying them. If your landscaper wasn't fulfilling the terms of his contract, you'd be right to stop paying him, too. The lands are not "public". That term doesn't apply to lands with divided property rights. The feds hold mineral rights, Bundy held grazing rights. You really do need to read the article I cited. Good jumping off point for understanding the terms being bandied about.

[Vitamin]

just because you disagree with everything winchester says doesn't make it false.  The poster advocates having Bundy and family "taken out".  Cold blooded murder is against catholic teaching and is never legit.  No matter who is the intended target.  Catholic teaching comes before love of state.

  
I also advocate invading countries for their beer. PARTY IN DUBLIN EVERYBODY!!!

Especially when they do not represent any physical threat at all. Bundy's rejection of arbitrary changes to the agreement is a peaceful dispute. The BLM was paid to manage the lands over which Bundy held grazing rights. They were not fulfilling their duty, so Bundy quit paying them. If your landscaper wasn't fulfilling the terms of his contract, you'd be right to stop paying him, too. The lands are not "public". That term doesn't apply to lands with divided property rights. The feds hold mineral rights, Bundy held grazing rights. You really do need to read the article I cited. Good jumping off point for understanding the terms being bandied about.

All dry and boring internet articles aside, the courts have already ruled that the BLM has the authority to seize Bundy's cattle. That's all I need to know.

As for the idea that you have a right to not pay fees and taxes if you don't like what they're doing or feel that the government is " failing" in its duties, its been debated before. This is why we elect representatives, not start revolutions with armed militiamen.

Such a pathetic attempt to make anarchy sensible. You're starting to bore me Winchester.

[MithLuin]

I really don't see why guns need to be involved in this dispute at all.

 

The man owes money.  The court gets to sort out whether there is a legitimate dispute on whether or not he has to pay the money.  In the end, money and/or cattle will be paid, or the back-taxes will somehow be written off.  

 

I would *much* rather this situation be settled in court than by an armed standoff. In many court cases, there are opportunities for appeals, or something.  Not sure if that would apply here.  

 

It is not unusual for the government to *start* by slapping down the penalty/fee, and only later determining if it need apply.  This is often the case when someone fails to follow the law up front.  Say you build something on your property without first obtaining the required building permit.  When this becomes public knowledge, you might get a letter demanding you pay a huge fee and/or tear it down.  What really needs to happen is that you retroactively apply for the building permit and get things squared away.  The letter is more a threat than an actual intended action.  

 

Of course, sometimes they really do want the money.   

[Winchester]

 Say you build something on your property without first obtaining the required building permit. 

 

If you need permission to build on it, it's not really your property.

[Winchester]

  

All dry and boring internet articles aside, the courts have already ruled that the BLM has the authority to seize Bundy's cattle. That's all I need to know.

As for the idea that you have a right to not pay fees and taxes if you don't like what they're doing or feel that the government is " failing" in its duties, its been debated before. This is why we elect representatives, not start revolutions with armed militiamen.

Such a pathetic attempt to make anarchy sensible. You're starting to bore me Winchester.

You're here for my entertainment, not they other way around.

[Credo in Deum]

Join us. I for one love murder, especially that of babies.

Nah, murdering Peeps is where it's at.  One day I was walking down an aisle and noticed about half a dozen of them just sitting on the shelf with nothing to do. I've often wondered if they were just better off as plain marshmallows to be held over a traditional campfire and used for smores? When you think about it, making them Peeps didn't make them more tastier. They got less tastier. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously though, I hate Peeps.

Edited April 29, 2014 by Credo in Deum

[Vitamin]

You're here for my entertainment, not they other way around.

That's only what THEY want you to think.

[CrossCuT]

I like this guy

[Winchester]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXRZ5c6I-vo[/media]

[CrossCuT]

U mad?

 

Go visit my Pusheen thread. If that little cat doesnt warm your heart then nothing will.

Edited April 29, 2014 by CrossCuT

[Vitamin]

If you need permission to build on it, it's not really your property.

Right. Because the community has no reason at all to complain if you want to build a trailer park, churches along gravled roads, or put human waste on your land because none of that would ever effect others at all. Unless you own on your own private island I don't care about your whining.

[havok579257]

Right. Because the community has no reason at all to complain if you want to build a trailer park, churches along gravled roads, or put human waste on your land because none of that would ever effect others at all. Unless you own on your own private island I don't care about your whining.

 

why should the community be allowed to tell a person they can not build a shed on their own property or a gazebo or an addition to their house?  Why are you incapable of making a point unless you go to the extreme?  

[Winchester]

Right. Because the community has no reason at all to complain if you want to build a trailer park, churches along gravled roads, or put human waste on your land because none of that would ever effect others at all. Unless you own on your own private island I don't care about your whining.

Non sequitur.

 

Building permits aren't based upon the real harm construction might inflict on other's property, or the infringement of homesteaded rights. 

[Winchester]

U mad?

 

Go visit my Pusheen thread. If that little cat doesnt warm your heart then nothing will.

i ain't even mad

[CrossCuT]

Go look at the fuzzy kitten anyway

[Winchester]

Don't tell me what to do.

[CrossCuT]

A happy warm feeling will envelop you! 

[Vitamin]

why should the community be allowed to tell a person they can not build a shed on their own property or a gazebo or an addition to their house?  Why are you incapable of making a point unless you go to the extreme?

The same could be asked about you. Nobody ever objects to gazebos or new additions. Give me a break.

  

Non sequitur.
 
Building permits aren't based upon the real harm construction might inflict on other's property, or the infringement of homesteaded rights.

This is false. I get notice in the mail about things my neighbors are putting on their property. Businesses give notice in advance about what and where their building to give the community time to weigh in. You really need to get out more if you think communities are just a collection of little islands.