Israeli-palestinian Conflict

[CatherineM]

And the children grow up and continue the sins of the parents.

An interesting note: I read somewhere that due to demographics, Arabs may eventually become a majority in the state of Israel, Some dispute this, but if it happens, then that would in effect become the Palestinian state.

I've heard it said that Muslims don't need to conquer the West with the sword. They can simply out populate us. I live in an immigrant part of town, and I can't remember seeing a Muslim woman who wasn't pushing a baby carriage. Spain has tried opening immigration to Latin Anericans, and that had limited success. Now they are offering citizenship to anyone who can prove they are descended from a Jew kicked out in the late 1400's. They haven't made the same offer to descendants of the Moors. Saving their culture by having babies is not an option I guess. That goes for the rest of Western Europe.

[Norseman82]

I've heard it said that Muslims don't need to conquer the West with the sword. They can simply out populate us. I live in an immigrant part of town, and I can't remember seeing a Muslim woman who wasn't pushing a baby carriage. Spain has tried opening immigration to Latin Anericans, and that had limited success. Now they are offering citizenship to anyone who can prove they are descended from a Jew kicked out in the late 1400's. They haven't made the same offer to descendants of the Moors. Saving their culture by having babies is not an option I guess. That goes for the rest of Western Europe.

 

I agree with you 100% - I've been saying for years that what they failed to do 1500 years ago by jihad they will accomplish within 100 years (maybe even less) by demographics.  Note the debates that are already occurring over allowing Sharia law courts in some western European countries. 

[Anastasia13]

And the children grow up and continue the sins of the parents. 

 

An interesting note:  I read somewhere that due to demographics, Arabs may eventually become a majority in the state of Israel, Some dispute this, but if it happens, then that would in effect become the Palestinian state. 

Sometimes I wonder if there was a way to be more respectful of the rights of the Palestinians and then have a little more integrity calling out the carp of those who still seek to harm others.

[Anastasia13]

I've heard it said that Muslims don't need to conquer the West with the sword. They can simply out populate us. I live in an immigrant part of town, and I can't remember seeing a Muslim woman who wasn't pushing a baby carriage. Spain has tried opening immigration to Latin Anericans, and that had limited success. Now they are offering citizenship to anyone who can prove they are descended from a Jew kicked out in the late 1400's. They haven't made the same offer to descendants of the Moors. Saving their culture by having babies is not an option I guess. That goes for the rest of Western Europe.

http://youtu.be/6ZadAjueiP4

[Socrates]

Hamas has absolutely zero interest in peace.  Anyone who thinks otherwise has their head in the sand.

[Benedictus]

Maybe this video can add some perspective to the views already here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZY8m0cm1oY

 

[Ice_nine]

Hamas has absolutely zero interest in peace.  Anyone who thinks otherwise has their head in the sand.

 

Color me shocked.

 

Maybe this video can add some perspective to the views already here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZY8m0cm1oY

 

 

Very one-sided. Smells like propaganda. To be fair I'm not well-versed enough to pull this video apart, but they seem to portray Zionists as doing NOTHING wrong and being TOTAL victims which even my own cursory studies know now to be true. I don't expect this to convince you, I'm just airing my grievances. And any portrayal of a conflict that so blatantly ignores the missteps and crimes committed by one side is obviously bull.

[Ash Wednesday]

http://youtu.be/6ZadAjueiP4

 

 

Dude. Please tell me that this video was posted as irony, because there are some serious flaws in it. 

 

I really don't recommend any video that sympathizes with Erik Almqvist and makes him out to be some kind of martyr when trying to get a point across. Let's just say he likes his booze, his racial and sexual epithets, and a little white power singsong. 

[beatitude]

I will get upset about Israel or Gaza as soon as the mainstream gets upset about Mosul.

 

This is why I hate getting into political debates on this subject, expressed in one line.

 

"I will get upset about Mosul as soon as the mainstream gets upset about the Rohingya."

 

"I will get upset about the Rohingya as soon as the mainstream gets upset about Western Sahara."

 

"I will get upset about the Western Sahara as soon as the mainstream gets upset about Tibet."

 

"I will get upset about TIbet as soon as..."

 

Right now the first thing I do every morning is check that certain friends of mine are still alive. It's terrifying. I don't know how to help them. I feel paralysed. They are not some abstract political issue or just a smudge on a map - they are real people living in this situation and they need kindness and prayers. There is always an excuse to care less about such-and-such a group if you really want to find one, but as Jesus didn't give us a quota of people we can care about, I don't see why we would want excuses - unless privately, in our heart of hearts, we believe that some lives aren't worth quite as much as others.

 

Seriously, Catherine, how would you feel if someone wrote such a callous dismissal of the rights and sufferings of the teenagers you take in? Because there are people out there who would do so. You know that. This makes me surprised that you would do it yourself.

Edited July 27, 2014 by beatitude

[CatherineM]

This is why I hate getting into political debates on this subject, expressed in one line.

"I will get upset about Mosul as soon as the mainstream gets upset about the Rohingya."

"I will get upset about the Rohingya as soon as the mainstream gets upset about Western Sahara."

"I will get upset about the Western Sahara as soon as the mainstream gets upset about Tibet."

"I will get upset about TIbet as soon as..."

Right now the first thing I do every morning is check that certain friends of mine are still alive. It's terrifying. I don't know how to help them. I feel paralysed. They are not some abstract political issue or just a smudge on a map - they are real people living in this situation and they need kindness and prayers. There is always an excuse to care less about such-and-such a group if you really want to find one, but as Jesus didn't give us a quota of people we can care about, I don't see why we would want excuses - unless privately, in our heart of hearts, we believe that some lives aren't worth quite as much as others.

Seriously, Catherine, how would you feel if someone wrote such a callous dismissal of the rights and sufferings of the teenagers you take in? Because there are people out there who would do so. You know that.

I was being sarcastic. I'm sorry. I suspect I wrote that when tired. I actually spent yesterday at the legislative grounds with some friends from Little Lebanon at a Gaza protest. I even joined them at an Iftar buffet later to break their Ramadan sawm.

[beatitude]

It's OK. :) I am also more likely to turn sarcastic when tired and worried, and I know you have a lot on your plate at the moment.

[CatherineM]

It's OK. :) I am also more likely to turn sarcastic when tired and worried, and I know you have a lot on your plate at the moment.

I spent today trying to explain to one of Austin's students that I'm not a racist. One of the kids books I wrote this summer was about a girl having trouble finding a bone marrow donor match because she is mixed race. She said it was racist to discuss issues faced by mixed race children.