God The Father / God The Holy Spirit ( Details Inside )

[truthfinder]

Okay, I've been a bit focused/stand-offish on the translation aspect of your point (although I'll still hold that dynamic equivalence is generally unacceptable for the translations of theological texts). I'm a bit lost now in what it is we are debating/discussing.  Pippo, could you quickly restate your argument; I might even agree with you...

[Amppax]

Actually it is the right place for this as I intended this as a debate instead of just a simple Q & A but thanks for pretending you are the boss of what ever it is you think you are the boss of. An since you stated what ya posted didn't answer my question I don't really need to read it. An I doubt Scott Hann is the expert either.  Even though I have one of his books, but what ever.

 

Apparently my post came off in a way that I didn't intend it to, my apologies. Your second post was about the lack of responses, I was trying to suggest that if you were looking for an answer to your dilemma, Q&A would be a good place for your question. I realize now that I unthinkingly worded my reply in a commanding tone, that wasn't my intention. My apologies. 

 

As to the second half of your reply, Dr. Hahn IS an expert. Now, Trinitarian theology isn't exactly his specialty, but he does have a doctorate in systematic theology, and I can assure you that he is much more knowledgeable than his popular books would suggest. The pdf I posted is an article of his on the Holy Spirit, and while it doesn't directly pertain to your question, I think there could be a lot in there that could be helpful, which is why I posted it. 

[pippo buono]

Pippo, could you quickly restate your argument...

 

When the Creed states that Christ was "incarnated by the Holy Spirit," it's less of a reference to the Holy Spirit as the father of Jesus and more of a reference to Christ's Incarnation being realized by the power of the Holy Spirit. Thus we can understand how the Holy Spirit is not the parental father of Christ, but rather "the hand" by which the Incarnation takes place as the Father willed.

[truthfinder]

When the Creed states that Christ was "incarnated by the Holy Spirit," it's less of a reference to the Holy Spirit as the father of Jesus and more of a reference to Christ's Incarnation being realized by the power of the Holy Spirit. Thus we can understand how the Holy Spirit is not the parental father of Christ, but rather "the hand" by which the Incarnation takes place as the Father willed.

Yes, I would tend to agree with you.  Although, it would be necessary not to divorce the other members of the Trinity.  Truly, "and the Word became flesh" is of high importance to this discussion.  But absolutely, the Holy Spirit isn't "the parental father" as you put it anymore than the Father or even Christ himself.  But the action of the incarnation is through the Holy Spirit.