18 Year Old Girl Announces Engagement To Father

[PhuturePriest]

And this is where relativism gets us to. Good job, society.

 

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2015/01/what-we-have-come-to-teenager-announces-plans-to-marry-her-father/

[Era Might]

Because religious people never have sex with minors?

[PhuturePriest]

Because religious people never have sex with minors?

 

What a sloppy and low-grade attempt at humor.

 

Besides, this isn't about the fact that she's a minor. This is about the fact that she is marrying her father.

Edited January 18, 2015 by PhuturePriest

[Era Might]

What a sloppy and low-grade attempt at humor.

 

Besides, this isn't about the fact that she's a minor. This is about the fact that she is marrying her father.

 

And that this is a smoking gun against "relativism"? Lot's daughters got him drunk and had sex with him in the Bible. At least this girl's getting married.

[PhuturePriest]

And that this is a smoking gun against "relativism"? Lot's daughters got him drunk and had sex with him in the Bible. At least this girl's getting married.

 

I find your attitude concerning this quite disgusting.

[4588686]

Look at how the disgusting values of modern society have brought about the same thing that the Bible records happening between the revered Lot and his daughters.

 

Yes. I find this gross. Looks like a trashy crowd all around. However moral relativism didn't bring this about. Incest has existed for a long, long time. 

 

The tricky thing about an open society is that sometimes you get people doing things with their freedom that you personally find gross or morally wrong. So it goes.

[PhuturePriest]

Look at how the disgusting values of modern society have brought about the same thing that the Bible records happening between the revered Lot and his daughters.

 

Yes. I find this gross. Looks like a trashy crowd all around. However moral relativism didn't bring this about. Incest has existed for a long, long time. 

 

The tricky thing about an open society is that sometimes you get people doing things with their freedom that you personally find gross or morally wrong. So it goes.

 

It's not a matter of it being new. It's a matter of this being highly frowned upon and openly judged as wrong, whereas now there are growing amounts of people who say "Well, it's not my life; who am I to tell them what to do?"

[Winchester]

And this is where relativism gets us to. Good job, society.

 

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2015/01/what-we-have-come-to-teenager-announces-plans-to-marry-her-father/

 

Are you under the impression that this sort of activity is new?

 

"Us". Are you the father or the daughter in this? If you're not, then there is no "us".

 

This is not a result of "relativism". It's not the result of any sort of philosophy. It's the result of someone desiring something. Any philosophy involved is post hoc and designed to justify the desire.

 

There is nothing new under the sun. Seem to recall that in some old book.

[4588686]

It's not a matter of it being new. It's a matter of this being highly frowned upon and openly judged as wrong, whereas now there are growing amounts of people who say "Well, it's not my life; who am I to tell them what to do?"

 

 

Where in the world do you get the idea that this isn't being judged all around as gross and wrong? 

 

Here's super-progressive Jezebel's coverage of the story:

http://jezebel.com/this-interview-with-a-woman-dating-her-father-will-haun-1679768194

 

I don't have any interest in sitting around and brooding over how trashy I find them both. I don't have any interest in using the law to mess with their trashy choices. That doesn't mean I'd want anuything to do with either of them, particularly him.

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

BTW--I echo earlier comments that I haven't read ANY press articles, whatever the source (liberal, conservative, Christian, non-Christian, etc. etc.), that feel this marriage is acceptable on ANY level, much less "live and let live,"

 

I was also shocked to learn that marriage between a parent and his/her blood child was legal in the state of New Jersey. How did that fall through the cracks?

 

Something tells me that marriage between a parent and a blood child will not be legal in New Jersey for much longer.

 

 

[PhuturePriest]

Something tells me that marriage between a parent and a blood child will not be legal in New Jersey for much longer.

 

Something tells me you're fooling yourself. But I guess we'll find out soon enough.

[Ash Wednesday]

At first read, the title "18 year old girl announces engagement to father" made it sound like she was telling her father she was engaged. So I thought, "...and?"

 

But then I read the article.

 

Nope.

 

 

Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. 

[Oremus Pro Invicem]

And that this is a smoking gun against "relativism"? Lot's daughters got him drunk and had sex with him in the Bible. At least this girl's getting married.

 

 

I would remind you that Lot's daughters got him drunk to the point where he did not know what was going on; "And they made their father drink wine that night: and the elder went in and lay with her father: but he perceived not neither when his daughter lay down, nor when she rose up"

 

The Bible does not show that Lot condoned their actions or brought them on of his own free will.  If you're going to hold Lot accountable for what his daughters did to him then you will also hold accountable anyone who is taken advantage of when their drunk. 

[4588686]

I would remind you that Lot's daughters got him drunk to the point where he did not know what was going on; "And they made their father drink wine that night: and the elder went in and lay with her father: but he perceived not neither when his daughter lay down, nor when she rose up"

 

The Bible does not show that Lot condoned their actions or brought them on of his own free will.  If you're going to hold Lot accountable for what his daughters did to him then you will also hold accountable anyone who is taken advantage of when their drunk. 

 

 

You completely missed his point. 

[Oremus Pro Invicem]

You completely missed his point. 

 

I believe his point is that relationships  which involve incest are not evidence of relativism at work, since an account of incest happened in the Bible between Lot and his daughters.  If this is not the point behind his remark then could you clarify his point?

 

 

Thank you. 

[Era Might]

I believe his point is that relationships  which involve incest are not evidence of relativism at work, since an account of incest happened in the Bible between Lot and his daughters.  If this is not the point behind his remark then could you clarify his point?

 

 

Thank you. 

 

No, my point is that a bizarre news story about a girl wanting to marry her father is not evidence of much of anything about society, seeing as we live in a world of 7 billion, and religious people engage in all kinds of bizarre sexual behavior, including pedophile priests. I don't care whether Lot was guilty or not, simply that incest has been going on since the world began, you don't need relativism to invent it. (And also, my point is that "relativism" is a meaningless word that doesn't explain anything, either about this story or about society, it just serves as an emotional bogeyman).

Edited January 18, 2015 by Era Might

[Cherie]

I think the story is a hoax.

[PhuturePriest]

I think the story is a hoax.

 

The article cites at least three other instances of this happening recently. It's highly unlikely that each one is fake, even if this one is.

[Cherie]

The other day I came across a letter to the editor I wrote when I was in high school, defending some statements of Rick Santorum regarding homosexual marriage. I said, basically, if you allow homosexual marriage between two consenting adults, it naturally follows that you have to allow all other types of relationships, like incest, if it's between two "consenting" individuals. My wording was not very PC and I thought, good Lord! If I had written that in today's newspaper, I'd be getting all sorts of hate mail. I'd fear for my family. What a world we live in now.

[ChristianGirlForever]

And this is where relativism gets us to. Good job, society.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2015/01/what-we-have-come-to-teenager-announces-plans-to-marry-her-father/

I don't know what to say. My priest told me that they were trying to legalize incest in Germany, and I was shocked. This is absolutely sickening. I'm sorry, but at 18 she is still a child. I remember how young I felt at 18. I know she is of legal age, but morally she is a victim. This is abuse.