Ice_nine Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 It's a little funny to see people very removed from the situation argue, with much confidence, about what these poor souls choose to do in their home land.
Nunsense Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 That is interesting, because I am never on except for weekends. Trust me, I have no desire whatsoever to be on here more than is allowed. The only reason I'm responding to you is because I get email notifications that you've responded, and I have given myself no Lenten restriction on viewing email. It sounded sarcastic and skeptical. Well my apologies then for sounding like that to you. I can see how you would see it that way perhaps. I am not your conscience but I do see your name an awful lot on the who's logged in right now list and it made me wonder because I thought that the whole point was to try to take a break from phatmass? I have taken many breaks that lasted months so I know it is a good thing to do from time to time, but if it is a Lenten resolution then I think one would want to spend the time that they normally spend on phatmass in prayer or something. So perhaps it is just a strange glitch in the new system that has you logged in so much during the week. And even if you get email notifications, it does seem that instead of coming back to phatmass and replying right away, you could mortify yourself by waiting until Saturday night. But, as I said, it is your Lenten practice, not mine, and I guess you are free to do whatever you want with it. It is obviously a difficult practice for you - so that's a good thing, isn't it?! PAX PS - or you could turn off email notifications to stop the temptation??
Nunsense Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 As to the topic of this thread, I find it incredibly strange that we now have 'militant Christians'. I know, I know, there were the Crusades etc, but it just seems such a contradiction to the teachings of Jesus that Christians should band together to fight and kill - even if those they are killing are doing evil things. But then, that's my take on it.
Not A Real Name Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 It's a little funny to see people very removed from the situation argue, with much confidence, about what these poor souls choose to do in their home land. True, mea culpa. I would probably be the first person to switch to a "let the bodies hit the floor" mode. Sadly, I've never been good at following the gospel. Please pray for me.
Nunsense Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 It's a little funny to see people very removed from the situation argue, with much confidence, about what these poor souls choose to do in their home land. Yes, that's true, until we actually walk in their shoes, it is impossible for us to really know what we do if we were there. It's still sad though that violence seems to be the only recourse.
Lilllabettt Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 It's a little funny to see people very removed from the situation argue, with much confidence, about what these poor souls choose to do in their home land. if you are from the West and feel "very removed" from the situation "over there," that is, imo, blameworthy. Or maybe the fault lies in the fact that we do not have a draft, and that allows more people to feel "very removed." Perhaps my memory is unusually long, but imo it has been 15 years since any American could reasonably claim to be "very removed" from what happens "over there."
Ice_nine Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 It has nothing to do with feelings. I'm not there witnessing and/or living with the ear of people brutally murdering me and my family and friends so I'm not gonna say it's imprudent for them to fight back because I think they understand the intricacies in the region from, you know, living there their whole lives. Nor am I going to claim that it's the grand solution that will solve everything or tell people they should be martyrs. I don't like sitting back in my chair and casting judgments on such people. I enjoy sitting back and casting judgment on fellow Americans on the internets.
Nunsense Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 I don't like sitting back in my chair and casting judgments on such people. I enjoy sitting back and casting judgment on fellow Americans on the internets. You make me laugh because I, too, am always juding others on the Internet (it's so much easier than getting to know them, don't you think?) LOL I'm sure there are better memes but this one made me laugh.
Tony Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 I think some of you are overthinking it. ISIS appears to have one philosophy. convert or die. These Christian soldiers have found a 3rd option, fight back.
Didacus Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 I think some of you are overthinking it. ISIS appears to have one philosophy. convert or die. These Christian soldiers have found a 3rd option, fight back. They shouldn't - ISIS has every right to form a nation and every right to establish laws in this nations according to their culture, customs and religious beliefs. Christians have no right to impose their will upon ISIS.
Didacus Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 You may be unaware of this, but as it stands there are very few people with a Christian identity in the region to begin with. If the battle is organized around religious confession, the Christians will lose. That's why ISIS wants it to be organized around religious confession. that much more of a reason for chritsians to remove themselves from the region all together.They should submit to the majority rule of muslims; if they form a nation and want to be part of this nation, they should conform to expectations or move one. It's that simple.
Didacus Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 That's not what she's saying. And I think she's right - ISIS wants nothing more than to incite an all our war against Christians and the West, they think it'll only rally more people to their cause because (among other things) they can say "oh look see we're right the Christians and the West really do hate Islam and want to kill us and everything!" I sympathize with the idea of creating a Christian brigade, it can give people a nice feeling of hope and solidarity against a common enemy. But I don't think it's the most prudent decision. Isis has every right to profess their religious beliefs and defend them. That is correct - typically Christians and the west hate islam and should apologize for the atrocities they have committed in the past including the current 'war' on Isis which is unjustified. I am all for Christian unity, but if Christians, once again want to take up arms just to kill muslims, I am sorry but I cannot support this. Christians if anything should take example from muslims and live their lives and beliefs according to a peaceful doctrine.
Nihil Obstat Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 I CANNOT BELIEVE HOW OFFENSIVE YOU ARE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ARE YOU REALLY SAYING THAT ALL MUSLIMS ARE MADE OF STRAW ????!!?AND SO THEY DO NOT HAVE SOULS AND CHRISTIANS SHOULD KILL ALL MUSLIMS !??!!!?!??? THAT IS TERRIBLE AND MEAN AND INTOLERANT!!!!!111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!
Nunsense Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 Isis has every right to profess their religious beliefs and defend them. That is correct - typically Christians and the west hate islam and should apologize for the atrocities they have committed in the past including the current 'war' on Isis which is unjustified. I am all for Christian unity, but if Christians, once again want to take up arms just to kill muslims, I am sorry but I cannot support this. Christians if anything should take example from muslims and live their lives and beliefs according to a peaceful doctrine. How did you become a Church Militant? I am a Christian and I in no way hate islam and have never committed any atrocities against anyone, no matter what their religion, and if the 'current war' against Isis is unjustified, why don't they stop killing innocent people? I think your over generalizations are offensive to say the least. Edit: - unless, am I wrong? Are you being sarcastic? I just can't believe what you are saying. If you 'got me' then I admit it, you 'got me'. But you aren't kidding, are you?
Ice_nine Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 he's being sarcastic. It's become tiresome. And I really don't like Islam (NOT muslims, just to be clear).
Selah Posted March 15, 2015 Posted March 15, 2015 the clash of civilizations is something ISIS wants. Their ideology is based on the idea that an apocalyptic battle with Christians and other nonbelievers will usher in the caliphate. unwise to organize a military response around religious adherence. plays into their hands. Are they just supposed to sit back and let their country, their culture, their history, and their people, die? I am a pacifist by nature, but I cannot sit here and say "do not do this" to them. They need to defend themselves. They need to take back Iraq.
Nihil Obstat Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Personally I think that the people closest to the situation are the best equipped to make these decisions on their own. It seems arrogant to think we know so much better.
Nunsense Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 Personally I think that the people closest to the situation are the best equipped to make these decisions on their own. It seems arrogant to think we know so much better. I have to agree with this. I can have my own ideas and opinions about what I might do if I were in such a situation but the reality is that I can't know for sure just what I would do because I am not experiencing what they are. That old Native American saying about walking in another person's moccasins applies here. How can any of us know for sure how we would react - it's all hypothetical for us. For them it is a constant and overwhelming reality. Nihil's right - we can't know better than they do - not from this distance.
Didacus Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 (snip) Nihil's right - we can't know better than they do - not from this distance. Seriously? I guess the US had no business taking part in WWII then?
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