Hillary W Obama running for president

[Anastasia13]

​You're still not getting it.

You can vote for the next person who will participate in the murder of innocents if you like. I'm out. I'm done. You can cite all the poorly researched garbage proving the economic tautologies look better when there is this or that majority in office (correlation isn't causation, and if you don't have a workable business cycle theory, you might as well be repeatedly farting and belching in rhythm).

It. Doesn't. Matter. Who. Is. In. Office.

I don't give a croutons about your president. It's yours, whomever wins. The SOB who sits in that temple to mass murder is yours. Not mine, not ever.

 

Get it? 

​

You said that voting was a waste of time. I shows articles and research saying that a vote counts. You did not say or show anything to the contrary, but you simply stated what can be taken as your (unsupported) opinion that it was poorly researched and that I did not get your point.

 

Now you did state a point again, so I will address that momentarily. 

 

First though, if the United States President is your nor president, as indicated by your choice of words, why are you so passionate about whether or not people vote? If you are not trying to save people the convenience of not voting out of concern for they general well-being that day, you would not have suggested something so unhealthy as eating ice cream straight out of the carton to citizens of a country with too much obesity.

 

You stated that it doesn’t matter who is in office. Does that equate to it doesn’t matter who you vote for? Voters have power, and we have the ability to vote in or out who we will, especially in local levels, but this adds up to influencing higher levels of office. United in action, we can make a difference, and united in greater action, we can get legislators to vote the way we want for fear of humiliation or a future lack of power.

 

All you said was that people should not bother with that basic civic responsibility we have as citizens because it doesn’t matter. You sounded like you already gave up and were encouraging people to do the same. If you were truly thinking about how the election would turn out, you might have considered that Hillary’s running-mate is not yet selected, and voters might question the viability of a candidate whose running-mate would, in the event of her early death as president, have the resign from presidency potentially before the term is up in accordance with the 12^th and 22^nd amendments. I am left to presume then that you were responding out of your emotional reaction to your displeasure with a government and your limited actually discussion that you were reacting out of emotion and having given up. As much as you may not think yourself under the American government, please do not undermine the efforts of the American people to have at least some meager say in our country.

 

If you ever feel like giving a beaver dam, let me know. I would be happy to discuss further, even though I know you already stated that you were out and done.

 I might even contest that the US regime is the most murderous if you put in on a relative scale (e.g. territory size to those killed by government, population of home country to those killed by it's government). Thank God that the Soviet Union is gone, but if it were on it's own citizens, China would certainly have some interesting numbers as well.

[Winchester]

So when the president breaks his campaign promises and you show him your "I voted" sticker, how many days does he have to change course?

 

 

[superblue]

​You do know that if you post about wanting to be a CM you will automatically never get it, right? it's one of the unspoken phatmass rules. same with being a Mediator of Meh. Just saying. 

​actually, and this is a big secret; I really want to be  Grand PooBah !

 

( Flintstones reference )

Edited April 17, 2015 by superblue

[Anastasia13]

So when the president breaks his campaign promises and you show him your "I voted" sticker, how many days does he have to change course?

​If all you have is a couple campaign promises to make you vote one way or another, you should have done your homework. Not everything one runs into as president can be predicted, but resources of character and good judgement matter, even if supply is short.

What you do depends on several things, the presidents next plans, your access to media, how you are willing to be seen, what connections you have, the time you have free, people that agree with you that you can connect with, etc.

 

BTW, do you honestly believe Gore would have lead the US the same way G. W. Bush did after 9/11?

[superblue]

​

You said that voting was a waste of time. I shows articles and research saying that a vote counts. You did not say or show anything to the contrary, but you simply stated what can be taken as your (unsupported) opinion that it was poorly researched and that I did not get your point.

 

 

Now you did state a point again, so I will address that momentarily. 

 

 

First though, if the United States President is your nor president, as indicated by your choice of words, why are you so passionate about whether or not people vote? If you are not trying to save people the convenience of not voting out of concern for they general well-being that day, you would not have suggested something so unhealthy as eating ice cream straight out of the carton to citizens of a country with too much obesity.

 

 

You stated that it doesn’t matter who is in office. Does that equate to it doesn’t matter who you vote for? Voters have power, and we have the ability to vote in or out who we will, especially in local levels, but this adds up to influencing higher levels of office. United in action, we can make a difference, and united in greater action, we can get legislators to vote the way we want for fear of humiliation or a future lack of power.

 

 

All you said was that people should not bother with that basic civic responsibility we have as citizens because it doesn’t matter. You sounded like you already gave up and were encouraging people to do the same. If you were truly thinking about how the election would turn out, you might have considered that Hillary’s running-mate is not yet selected, and voters might question the viability of a candidate whose running-mate would, in the event of her early death as president, have the resign from presidency potentially before the term is up in accordance with the 12^th and 22^nd amendments. I am left to presume then that you were responding out of your emotional reaction to your displeasure with a government and your limited actually discussion that you were reacting out of emotion and having given up. As much as you may not think yourself under the American government, please do not undermine the efforts of the American people to have at least some meager say in our country.

 

 

If you ever feel like giving a beaver dam, let me know. I would be happy to discuss further, even though I know you already stated that you were out and done.

 I might even contest that the US regime is the most murderous if you put in on a relative scale (e.g. territory size to those killed by government, population of home country to those killed by it's government). Thank God that the Soviet Union is gone, but if it were on it's own citizens, China would certainly have some interesting numbers as well.

​You are right voting does matter,

 

But when you are voting between dog poo and cat poo, who cares. in the end it is still poo.

[Anastasia13]

​You are right voting does matter,

 

But when you are voting between dog poo and cat poo, who cares. in the end it is still poo.

​Some poo is better to tolerate than other poo. Some poo you can make enough noise about composting with that a candidate can either make a bit deal about to potentially risk embarrassment or risk future endeavors to go the other way on, or other candidates might pick up on how important this issue is if they want to pursue a political career in your district/state/whatever. Bottom like though, you gotta be willing to try. Be loud and proud and don't take **** from politicians when talking to them about something you want to see changed.

[superblue]

​Some poo is better to tolerate than other poo. Some poo you can make enough noise about composting with that a candidate can either make a bit deal about to potentially risk embarrassment or risk future endeavors to go the other way on, or other candidates might pick up on how important this issue is if they want to pursue a political career in your district/state/whatever. Bottom like though, you gotta be willing to try. Be loud and proud and don't take **** from politicians when talking to them about something you want to see changed.

​the ole squeaky wheel is the wheel that gets fixed, that analogy would work too, but I like my poo is still poo analogy.

[Anastasia13]

​the ole squeaky wheel is the wheel that gets fixed, that analogy would work too, but I like my poo is still poo analogy.

​If you want to make pet poop safe for fertilizer, turn up the heat to make it sanitary. It can help non-food plants without this though. Fair warning, cat poop is considered riskier than dog poop.

[Winchester]

​If all you have is a couple campaign promises to make you vote one way or another, you should have done your homework. Not everything one runs into as president can be predicted, but resources of character and good judgement matter, even if supply is short.

What you do depends on several things, the presidents next plans, your access to media, how you are willing to be seen, what connections you have, the time you have free, people that agree with you that you can connect with, etc.

 

BTW, do you honestly believe Gore would have lead the US the same way G. W. Bush did after 9/11?

​Isn't GITMO still open?

[Luigi]

My choice for president: 

http://www.quick-break.net/31/funny/hillary_and_bill_clinton_form_a_hillbilly 

[Anastasia13]

​Isn't GITMO still open?

Does that make a difference in answering if you honestly believe Gore would have lead the US the same way G. W. Bush did after 9/11?

One commonality does not a difference unmake.

Edited April 21, 2015 by Light and Truth

[Winchester]

Does that make a difference in answering if you honestly believe Gore would have lead the US the same way G. W. Bush did after 9/11?

One commonality does not a difference unmake.

​One?
 

Drug war, deportations, PATRIOT Act, Warrantless wiretapping, continual budget increases, Foreign interventionism, Military foreign interventionism, Economic intervention, Protectionism, Corporatism.

All of these continued unabated through Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama. And they will continue under Clinton, Bush, or anyone else.

 

I think it's possible that Gore might not have been on board with attacking Iraq. I don't think it would have mattered, though. But I don't see what presidents do as "leading", anyway. Leadership isn't to be found in the relationship between masters and slaves, which is the relationship between the political class and the Mundanes. If you have to threaten violence, you're not leading. If you've had to indoctrinate people from youth about your superiority, you're just a creepy manipulator, not a leader.

Would Gore's speechifying and political maneuvers have resulted in a substantially different domestic and foreign policy? No. It would have led to howls of outrage as foreign policy remained the same (as it has with Obama), but it wouldn't have been really different. I assure you that plenty of innocents would have died even if Gore had won. I promise you that innocents will continue to die after the next election, whichever "side" wins. Don't you worry, the US will drop democracy on women and children all over the globe and you will get to pay for it with privately produced money that you are compelled to accept and not deface.

Because liberty.