blazeingstar Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 Mormons don't evangelize, they propagandize...huge difference... They are still doing a better job that Catholics....
dominicansoul Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 Now this thread needs to be moved to the Lame board... lol
little2add Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 the bottom line is that the LifeTeen program was designed by a convicted pedophile that shows indications of being a grooming system.
Ash Wednesday Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Okay so now we are back down to the usual 2 Minutes of Hate about "banners" and "people holding their arms in the air" wherever 2 or 3 traditionalists are gathered in My name, they will start complaining about the orans position and drums like they have not had the exact same conversation 5 million times before. This stuff is not my aesthetic style either but the Constipated Traditionalism is a bit much. For how many decades have people been moaning about felt banners?? And it worked, you will not see too many felt banners in PSR classes any more. What did that accomplish exactly. Notice the Mormons and other groups focused on evangelizing don't focus on this navel-gazing stuff. They take an Exlax and move on with the mission. It does get tiresome that this stuff comes up over and over again... I bit my tongue when I saw the LifeTeen discussion come up yet again. I try to be patient in the crazy event that someone actually hasn't discussed these things before, but... yeah. The core issue isn't the felt banners, ugly churches or bad music. As much as those things DO matter and they do bother me, to me they are symptoms of deeper rooted problems. The biggest problem I see is that people really aren't taught the fullness of faith - the average Catholic is flat out stupid or told that such silly things like doctrine aren't REALLY binding, you can just do your own thing. That and mass gets treated like a 1 hour chore at best on Sunday, people don't live the faith with much heart or conviction. Combine that with corruption and abuse scandals in the Church and we're left with a faith that's a complete mess. But as you said we just have to keep moving. Edited June 18, 2015 by Ash Wednesday Because bacon.
little2add Posted June 19, 2015 Posted June 19, 2015 the parents of and the victims of the pedophile(s) are not to blame or "flat out stupid" for that matter.
Ash Wednesday Posted June 19, 2015 Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) the parents of and the victims of the pedophile(s) are not to blame or "flat out stupid" for that matter. Let there be no misunderstanding here -- I was NOT speaking of victims of abuse when I was discussing ignorant Catholics. When I mean "stupid" Catholics I mean the level of religious education the average Catholic has received by the time they reach Confirmation. I probably should clarify my previous post, when I described lack of quality religious education as being the biggest problem -- now giving it more thought, I find it difficult to quantify things like this, because it's also especially critical when members of the Church lack moral integrity and don't have a leg to stand on because they lose the trust of the faithful by failing to practice what they preach and protect their own -- and certainly, abuse would apply here. I suppose it all comes hand in hand and full circle -- in that truly "educating" people, it's not only preaching the fullness of truth, but also living it by example. Edited June 19, 2015 by Ash Wednesday I'm tired.
Not A Mallard Posted February 5, 2016 Posted February 5, 2016 Somebody just propped one of my posts here, and that subsequent mini-thread made me laugh my head off.
Theoketos Posted February 5, 2016 Posted February 5, 2016 On 6/13/2015, 6:35:58, PhuturePriest said: I am also in the Wichita diocese. Bishop Olmstead is a stellar Bishop. I am also in the Wichita diocese. Olmstead built a serious legacy of fidelity.
dominicansoul Posted April 19, 2016 Posted April 19, 2016 recently my hometown parish had a "life teen" movement. they decided to use the 11:30 Mass as their "youth" mass complete with a rock band and praise and worship session within the Mass. apparently Father had been upset that several highschool youth decided to go to Promised Land non=denominational church for what they considered "an exciting worship" instead of Mass. So what does Father do? He brings "Promised Land" kind of worship to our parish to keep the teens there. I was like, "why don't you just implement the Latin Mass here Father? none of these kids would leave." lol
Ice_nine Posted April 19, 2016 Posted April 19, 2016 8 hours ago, dominicansoul said: I was like, "why don't you just implement the Latin Mass here Father? none of these kids would leave." lol Well lots of them probably would leave, but I'm sure you were joking. I got involved in this type of worship as a teen. It felt good at the moment, but this type of worship and the theology typically associated with it did not sustain me as I got into my college years. There's nothing to really transition you out of that "youth group" phase. You either get married, become a nun or a priest, or figure things out on your own. I just don't get the rationale of keeping teen numbers up but not giving them the tools for long-term success in the faith. It's a giant set-up.
Nihil Obstat Posted April 19, 2016 Posted April 19, 2016 14 minutes ago, Ice_nine said: There's nothing to really transition you out of that "youth group" phase. You either get married, become a nun or a priest, or figure things out on your own. I just don't get the rationale of keeping teen numbers up but not giving them the tools for long-term success in the faith. It's a giant set-up. To be fair, most of them just stop practicing entirely. So yes, there is not a lot of long-term success there.
Ice_nine Posted April 19, 2016 Posted April 19, 2016 yeah but it's a chicken or the egg type scenario. Do young adults stop practicing because there is no outreach for young adults, or is there no outreach for young adults because there are very few young adults who practice? Probably a little bit of both. In any case, I think LifeTeen is stupid, but I think most things are stupid right now.
Nihil Obstat Posted April 19, 2016 Posted April 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ice_nine said: yeah but it's a chicken or the egg type scenario. Do young adults stop practicing because there is no outreach for young adults, or is there no outreach for young adults because there are very few young adults who practice? Probably a little bit of both. In any case, I think LifeTeen is stupid, but I think most things are stupid right now. Personally I would go with neither. The outreach is there, more or less, but it is garbage. We do not need outreach so much as we need authenticity.
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