Credo in Deum Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 [21] Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. [22] Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. [24] Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock, [25] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded on a rock. [26] And every one that heareth these my words, and doth them not, shall be like a foolish man that built his house upon the sand, [27] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell, and great was the fall thereof. [28] And it came to pass when Jesus had fully ended these words, the people were in admiration at his doctrine. [29] For he was teaching them as one having power, and not as the scribes and Pharisees. and Matt 18:17 *And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and the publican Ver. 17. Tell the church. This not only shews the order of fraternal correction, but also every man's duty in submitting to the judgment of the Church. (Witham) --- There cannot be a plainer condemnation of those who make particular creeds, and will not submit the articles of their belief to the judgment of the authority appointed by Christ. (Haydock) The Church is the authority Christ established. The Church speaks for Christ. When you say the Church is fallible you are saying Christ is fallible.
Nihil Obstat Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 From Dei Filius, adopted 24 April 1870: Chapter 3: Further, all those things are to be believed with divine and Catholic faith which are contained in the Word of God, written or handed down, and which the Church, either by a solemn judgment, or by her ordinary and universal magisterium, proposes for belief as having been divinely revealed. And since, without faith, it is impossible to please God, and to attain to the fellowship of his children, therefore without faith no one has ever attained justification, nor will any one obtain eternal life unless he shall have persevered in faith unto the end. And, that we may be able to satisfy the obligation of embracing the true faith, and of constantly persevering in it, God has instituted the Church through his only-begotten Son, and has bestowed on it manifest notes of that institution, that it may be recognized by all men as the guardian and teacher of the revealed Word; for to the Catholic Church alone belong all those many and admirable tokens which have been divinely established for the evident credibility of the Christian faith. Nay, more, the Church by itself, with its marvelous extension, its eminent holiness, and its inexhaustible fruitfulness in every good thing, with its Catholic unity and its invincible stability, is a great and perpetual motive of credibility, and an irrefutable witness of its own divine mission.
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 19, 2015 Author Posted July 19, 2015 I guarentee you nihil that a hurricane has been battering my house non stop for 7 years. but aye alleluia, praise and glory to HIS holy name.
Nihil Obstat Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 Hidden Content amen amen. Jesus iz LORD! The magesterium is not above the word but caretakers of the word. Yes. Steward and authentic (read: infallible) interpreter.
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 19, 2015 Author Posted July 19, 2015 and The Church is the authority Christ established. The Church speaks for Christ. When you say the Church is fallible you are saying Christ is fallible. Than we will wait for a priest or deacon or bishop to correct me than shall we, or correct you, and dont put words into my mouth please refrain from doing this. You people seem to be good at this.
Nihil Obstat Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 I guarentee you nihil that a hurricane has been battering my house non stop for 7 years. but aye alleluia, praise and glory to HIS holy name. And tragedy of tragedies, you seem to have given way to the hurricane. Perhaps you should have founded your own house on a rock, rather than the sand of your own interpretations. [1] The words of Ecclesiastes, the son of David, king of Jerusalem. [2] Vanity of vanities, said Ecclesiastes vanity of vanities, and all is vanity. [3] What hath a man more of all his labour, that he taketh under the sun? [4] One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth standeth for ever. [5] The sun riseth, and goeth down, and returneth to his place: and there rising again,
Credo in Deum Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 what the hell is going on here? Phish sticks.
Nihil Obstat Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 Than we will wait for a priest or deacon or bishop to correct me than shall we, or correct you, and dont put words into my mouth please refrain from doing this. You people seem to be good at this. I have the pope himself, Pius IX, correcting you in Dei Filius. Now it falls on you to reject your errors and confess the one true Faith.
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 19, 2015 Author Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) no not phish sticks. A lynch mob. I have the pope himself, Pius IX, correcting you in Dei Filius. Now it falls on you to reject your errors and confess the one true Faith. he again neither states nore to me even hints that the Magesterium is infallible, directly show me the bit that you think does this. Highlite it. Edited July 19, 2015 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye
Nihil Obstat Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 no not phish sticks. A lynch mob. If you come in here spouting heresy - and make no mistake that is exactly what you are doing - we have a responsibility and obligation to cut down your errors quickly and efficiently so that you do not lead others down your path.
Ice_nine Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 tab'le, you sound a bit off your rocker. I hope you're doing OK, but you're saying strange things.
puellapaschalis Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 no not phish sticks. A lynch mob. Which you started.
Nihil Obstat Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 no not phish sticks. A lynch mob. he again neither states nore to me even hints that the Magesterium is infallible, directly show me the bit that you think does this. Highlite it. Further, all those things are to be believed with divine and Catholic faith which are contained in the Word of God, written or handed down, and which the Church, either by a solemn judgment, or by her ordinary and universal magisterium, proposes for belief as having been divinely revealed. And since, without faith, it is impossible to please God, and to attain to the fellowship of his children, therefore without faith no one has ever attained justification, nor will any one obtain eternal life unless he shall have persevered in faith unto the end. And, that we may be able to satisfy the obligation of embracing the true faith, and of constantly persevering in it, God has instituted the Church through his only-begotten Son, and has bestowed on it manifest notes of that institution, that it may be recognized by all men as the guardian and teacher of the revealed Word; for to the Catholic Church alone belong all those many and admirable tokens which have been divinely established for the evident credibility of the Christian faith. Nay, more, the Church by itself, with its marvelous extension, its eminent holiness, and its inexhaustible fruitfulness in every good thing, with its Catholic unity and its invincible stability, is a great and perpetual motive of credibility, and an irrefutable witness of its own divine mission.
Credo in Deum Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 no not phish sticks. A lynch mob. Pffft. This has to be one of the calmest lynch mobs in the history of lynch mobs.
Nihil Obstat Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) I do not see how that can be read otherwise. If reading comprehension is an issue for you Tab, and honestly I think it is one issue among many, just be up front about it and we can try to explain it in simpler terms. Edited July 19, 2015 by Nihil Obstat
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 19, 2015 Author Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) Are you all interpreting or these documents for yourself ? If so you need to take into serious consideration that you could be wrong even if you have a theology degree, though please state if you do and i will take you more seriously but even than you are not a part of the magesterium and i am not to bow down to you particularly though i am taking into serious consideration and prayer all you are saying and revealing. Further, all those things are to be believed with divine and Catholic faith which are contained in the Word of God, written or handed down, and which the Church, either by a solemn judgment, or by her ordinary and universal magisterium, proposes for belief as having been divinely revealed. And since, without faith, it is impossible to please God, and to attain to the fellowship of his children, therefore without faith no one has ever attained justification, nor will any one obtain eternal life unless he shall have persevered in faith unto the end. And, that we may be able to satisfy the obligation of embracing the true faith, and of constantly persevering in it, God has instituted the Church through his only-begotten Son, and has bestowed on it manifest notes of that institution, that it may be recognized by all men as the guardian and teacher of the revealed Word; for to the Catholic Church alone belong all those many and admirable tokens which have been divinely established for the evident credibility of the Christian faith. Nay, more, the Church by itself, with its marvelous extension, its eminent holiness, and its inexhaustible fruitfulness in every good thing, with its Catholic unity and its invincible stability, is a great and perpetual motive of credibility, and an irrefutable witness of its own divine mission. I agree with absolutely everything you just stated, still doesn't prove to me that the magesterium is infallible. the i agree with everyhting you just stated was meant to appear at the end of my last post, either bug or hacker problem I do not see how that can be read otherwise. If reading comprehension is an issue for you Tab, and honestly I think it is one issue among many, just be up front about it and we can try to explain it in simpler terms. no i understand all the catholic jargon nihil, i am a christian. Please refrain from trying to stomp on me and continue the discussion people. Relax really. Edited July 19, 2015 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye
Credo in Deum Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 I do not see how that can be read otherwise. If reading comprehension is an issue for you Tab, and honestly I think it is one issue among many, just be up front about it and we can try to explain it in simpler terms.
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 19, 2015 Author Posted July 19, 2015 and nihil by the way you have mis quoted me, i never said you are in heresy, the words where " perhaps in heresy" be careful.
Nihil Obstat Posted July 19, 2015 Posted July 19, 2015 and nihil by the way you have mis quoted me, i never said you are in heresy, the words where " perhaps in heresy" be careful. I do not care what you said. You are the one making heretical statements. I know I am not. Are you all interpreting or these documents for yourself ? If so you need to take into serious consideration that you could be wrong even if you have a theology degree, though please state if you do and i will take you more seriously but even than you are not a part of the magesterium and i am not to bow down to you particularly though i am taking into serious consideration and prayer all you are saying and revealing. I agree with absolutely everything you just stated, still doesn't prove to me that the magesterium is infallible. the i agree with everyhting you just stated was meant to appear at the end of my last post, either bug or hacker problem no i understand all the catholic jargon nihil, i am a christian. Please refrain from trying to stomp on me and continue the discussion people. Relax really. So you agree that things which are handed down by the Church as divinely revealed by her ordinary Magisterium are to be believed with divine and Catholic faith? Further, all those things are to be believed with divine and Catholic faith which are contained in the Word of God, written or handed down, and which the Church, either by a solemn judgment, or by her ordinary and universal magisterium, proposes for belief as having been divinely revealed.
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