BeenaBobba Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 Hi justfran, I looked this up for you. For adults who have never been baptized, baptism washes away both Original Sin and any personal sin. For those who have been baptized and wish to join the Catholic Church, they must go to Confession. [url="http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showresult.asp?RecNum=301858&Forums=0&Experts=0&Days=3000&Author=&Keyword=confession+and+baptism&pgnu=1&groupnum=0"]Read this[/url] for more info. To the best of my knowledge, St. Augustine did have a son before he became Catholic. I think his son died in his early teens. God bless, Jen
BeenaBobba Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 Oh, and I think it's awesome that you're interested in joining the Catholic Church! God bless, Jen
OwNeD_byGoD Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 you cannot do confession until you have done your first communion, however you can do a general confession in which you tell the priest your sins that are plaguing you however you are not absolved, this is in the case that like you believe your sin is so bad you are letting it eat you inside. sign up for RCIA classes start spet? ima start it too, havent done cfirst communion or confirmation =P if you're worried you're gonna die before you receive it, then pray the daily rosary one of the gifts is that you wont die until you receive your sacraments
justfran Posted June 16, 2004 Author Posted June 16, 2004 [quote]Although Catholic theology admits the possibility of being justified after mortal sin through an act of perfect contrition, for those who do not know of the obligation to use the sacrament or for whom it is impossible, the Sacrament is the secure means provided by our Lord so we don't have to try to self-validate our sorrow.[/quote] So I guess the answer is yes?
BeenaBobba Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 Hi OwNeD, Actually, I think Confession is necessary before one receives Communion. One must be in a state of grace before one can receive Communion, and if one has committed mortal sins after their baptism, they must go to Confession before they receive Communion. How awesome that you'll be making your First Communion and your Confirmation! God bless, Jen
crusader1234 Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 That article would make it seem like a yes to me. I'd still confess everything youd done pre baptism afterwards, because its better to be safe than sorry.
voiciblanche Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Jun 16 2004, 03:08 AM'] Yeah, I was wondering about that. If we apologize, and are absolved, how do we pay? [/quote] We still have to pay for the sins. It's just like things on earth. If I steal, say, a $30 radio, and the store manager finds out, he might forgive me if I apologize. Say that he does. Is that the end? No. I still have to give back the radio. If I gossip about my friend, she might forgive me if I apologize. Say that she does. Is that the end? No. I still have to go back and try to stop the spreading of the gossip and restore her good name. It's the same with God. If I commit a mortal sin, God will forgive me if I apologize. Is that the end? No. I still have to pay for it. That's one of the reasons why we're saved by grace, through faith, [i]acted out in works.[/i] (Eph. 2:8-9) My own works cannot save me, but they can help pay for my sins. If we try to do as many good works on earth as possible, we will have been paying for our sins already, and our time in Purgatory shall be shorter.
OwNeD_byGoD Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 haha jen, im sorry im dumb i phrased it wrong, one cant receive confession until done with the classes for first communion, once you're done with first communion classes you do your first confession and then receive communion, that's how im used to in different diocese
crusader1234 Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 Hmm, any idea how we go about repaying God in purgatory???
voiciblanche Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Jun 16 2004, 03:44 AM'] Hmm, any idea how we go about repaying God in purgatory??? [/quote] I know only what I have been told. None of us know exactly what we do in Purgatory, due to the fact that none of us on earth have ever been there. And, if you're mocking me, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't. It doesn't really profit anyone.
BeenaBobba Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Jun 16 2004, 05:44 AM'] Hmm, any idea how we go about repaying God in purgatory??? [/quote] That's a mystery, Rich. God bless, Jen
BeenaBobba Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 Good post above, Amber. And thanks for clarifying, OwNeD. God bless, Jen
crusader1234 Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 Sorry, the Hmm made it sound sarcastic. I'm actually interested and wanted to know what the story was. Thanks for answering. I think the best thing for me would be to start helping out at the soup kitchen more frequently
BeenaBobba Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 Hi justfran, To answer your question -- yes, baptism cleanses the soul of mortal sin as well. That is what the article says. God bless, Jen
OwNeD_byGoD Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 purgatory is just a state of being after death in which you cleanse your soul before going to heaven it's like a dog, say you barely get them from a pound, and like he's all dirtyso you wash him *baptism* then after he's all clean it goes and rolls around in mud and goes plays with dogs with ticks so now that dog has ticks as well*sin* so now its getting cold and the dog wants in the house, but the house is like made of gold and silver and whatnot, so the dog cant go in the house in that dirty state *we cant go into heaven in our sinful state* so the owner washes the dog once more, but this time it hurts, flea powder and scrubba dub dub, now the dog is ready for the house ok the way that we pay in purgatory is its like a cleaning thing like the dog before he went into the house lets say it had to stay under the shower right? well we have to endure the pain of purgatory kus in the CCC it says that purgatory hurts as much as hell at one point, and also that 1 minute feels like years and years, fast ways of getting out of purgatory are through deeds you did while alive, and indulgences you received, and also in purgatory you cant pray for yourself, however other people can pray for you. St.Gertrude the Great, and many other saints have received revelations about this stuff and whatnot. sheesh im confussing and im tired... i dont even know if i answered any questions hahaha
BeenaBobba Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 Hi justfran, The part of the article that you referenced is dealing with a perfect Act of Contrition, in which mortal sin can be forgiven outside of Confession for those who do not know the truths of the Sacrament -- or for those who are incapable of going to Confession (e.g., if they were in an airplane about to crash). Just a note: I'm not sure we can quote EWTN articles on phatmass. I don't know if it infringes on the copyright. I'm not sure. (We can link to them, though, of course.) God bless, Jen
voiciblanche Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Jun 16 2004, 03:49 AM'] Sorry, the Hmm made it sound sarcastic. I'm actually interested and wanted to know what the story was. Thanks for answering. I think the best thing for me would be to start helping out at the soup kitchen more frequently [/quote] No problem. I kind of snapped back pretty fast; I just don't like it when I feel I'm not being taken seriously. As far as what we do in Purgatory, here's what I can conclude - Those in Purgatory are called the Church Suffering. Therefore, there must be suffering involved. The sins are said to be [i]purged.[/i] To be purged on earth, physically, sounds as though it would be painful. I imagine that it is spiritually painful to have your sins purged from you in Purgatory. I can't really say much else, but the fact that those in Purgatory are called the Church Suffering is important - if it was some fun, howdy-do experience, I don't think those involved would be called the Church Suffering.
OwNeD_byGoD Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 i like beenabobba she is so eloquent, humble, and debonair. hahaha... Props to you on the dogma debate in the movies forum deng i hate that movie i just wrote somepin in there =P
BeenaBobba Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 [quote name='OwNeD_byGoD' date='Jun 16 2004, 06:00 AM'] i like beenabobba she is so eloquent, humble, and debonair. hahaha... Props to you on the dogma debate in the movies forum deng i hate that movie i just wrote somepin in there =P [/quote] Haha. Aww, shucks, OwNeD. I read what you wrote in the [i]Dogma[/i] thread, and I thought it was pretty cool. You hit the nail right on the head with what you said, I think. God bless, Jen
Pio Nono Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 JMJ 6/16 - Eleventh Wednesday Just to clear the air..... [b]Baptism cleanses the soul of all sin, original, mortal and venial[/b]. Continue talking.
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