Aragon Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 If anyone needs a reminder of why 90% of people in developed nations think the Catholic Church is a backwards, bigoted institution then having our cardinals compare gay marriage campaigners to genocidal racists might be a clue. So disappointed. "You can not join Christ and Belial! What Nazi-Fascism and Communism were in the 20th century, Western homosexual and abortion Ideologies and Islamic Fanaticism are today." Full article: http://wdtprs.com/blog/2015/10/card-sara-we-find-ourselves-between-gender-ideology-and-isis-apocalyptic-beasts-demonic-origin/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NadaTeTurbe Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Here's a simple rule of life : don't make comparison with nazism. As long as the victims of nazism and their sons, and the sons of their sons, are alive, don't make comparison with nazism. It's insulting on so many levels, I don't know where to begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 he didn't say gay people. he said "western homosexual and abortion ideologies" you know- the ones that insist that having gay sex and abortion are nothing to be ashamed of. life-destroying, personhood-denying campaigns, which in Africa arrive in the shape of modern day imperialist storm troopers (WHO). idk sounds like nazis to me. yup. gay or straight, if you buy into that stuff, you are a soldier in an evil army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NadaTeTurbe Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 When the nazis were in the power, my family was arrested, executed, and send to concentration camp. We had to wear the yellow star, and to be hidden, or to die. By comparing this situation with the actual situation, this cardinal is minimizing the horror of the holocaust. It's borderline antisemit. I repeat : if you have a minimum of decence and education DON'T MAKE A COMPARISON WITH THE HOLOCAUST or you're a jerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 When the nazis were in the power, my family was arrested, executed, and send to concentration camp. We had to wear the yellow star, and to be hidden, or to die. By comparing this situation with the actual situation, this cardinal is minimizing the horror of the holocaust. It's borderline antisemit. I repeat : if you have a minimum of decence and education DON'T MAKE A COMPARISON WITH THE HOLOCAUST or you're a jerk He didn't compare the situation with the Holocaust. He made a comparison with the Nazis. You are aware that national socialism is a political movement right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NadaTeTurbe Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Because there's no relation at all between the holocaust and the nazis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I am not one to uncritically swallow everything a bishop says simply because he is a bishop... But sometimes the onus is on us to let the teachers teach, and try to grab hold of what they are saying. This is one of those times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Because there's no relation at all between the holocaust and the nazis... Is there no comparable relation between an ideology that lead to the deaths of millions of innocent people to an ideology that has lead to the deaths of millions of innocent people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 There is a very real ideological link between Germany in the 1920s-1930s-1940s and Western train of thought today, including abortion and other permissive type of living. The lessons to be learned from the Second World War have yet to be fully appreciated and understood by our 'modern' society. Try this to start: German Doctors and the Final Solution The bishop is quite accurate in his remarks and has my full support in his comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I could really care less what '90% of the developed world" thinks about the Catholic Church lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I could really care less what '90% of the developed world" thinks about the Catholic Church lol I only care inasmuch as it allows us to gain further converts. If a man knows what the Church teaches and rejects Her for it, his soul is imperilled through his own fault. Likewise if a man converts based on a false understanding of Church teaching, his conversion is a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aragon Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 he didn't say gay people. he said "western homosexual and abortion ideologies" you know- the ones that insist that having gay sex and abortion are nothing to be ashamed of. life-destroying, personhood-denying campaigns, which in Africa arrive in the shape of modern day imperialist storm troopers (WHO). idk sounds like nazis to me. yup. gay or straight, if you buy into that stuff, you are a soldier in an evil army. No. There is absolutely no moral equivalence between campaigning to make gay sex acceptable/gay marriage legal and Nazism. Anyone who thinks that the two are equivalent is an idiotic zealot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) No. There is absolutely no moral equivalence between campaigning to make gay sex acceptable/gay marriage legal and Nazism. Anyone who thinks that the two are equivalent is an idiotic zealot. Who said equivalent? Edited October 14, 2015 by Nihil Obstat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amppax Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 No. There is absolutely no moral equivalence between campaigning to make gay sex acceptable/gay marriage legal and Nazism. Anyone who thinks that the two are equivalent is an idiotic zealot. You're missing the Cardinal's point. He's speaking of an ideology, which is broader than just homosexuality, which is clearly your hang up. What it seemed to me what he's trying to say is the broader ideology regarding sex (abortion, contraception, pornography, etc.) which he argues is just as destructive (if not moreso) than the Nazism and Communism in the 20th century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 No. There is absolutely no moral equivalence between campaigning to make gay sex acceptable/gay marriage legal and Nazism. Anyone who thinks that the two are equivalent is an idiotic zealot. meh. come find me in the afterlife, we will compare notes on which movement led more people to hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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