4588686 Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 On 1/23/2016 11:07:37, little2add said: The doctors and nurses I've been exposed to are all hard working , dedicated, caring individuals the services provided saved the life of my loved ones, more than once... medical care is expensive, granted but it works for me and I would not change a thing im thankful for what we have. The changes like obamacae only benefit the big insurance cartels . Who are making record profits lately BTW Obamacare benefits the insurance industry and also millions of Americans who now have access to healthcare. I'm glad expensive medical care works for you. Not everybody has access to that medical care. 22 minutes ago, Benedictus said: Yeah, it works for you but fails for millions. But glad you're OK Medical care has always been expensive and the insurance companies have always made money, as have many professionals and clinics etc. It's actually logcal that elements of the market increase their income, including profits, if they're dealing with more people than before. However, insurance should decrease over time if the system is allowed to function correctly. The problem is the current system is a reformed hybrid and far from ideal. That's the fault of the lobbyists and the politicians who prevent the changes that are necessary. However, they will keep up the mess because many voters still buy into a certain way of doing things. Politicians rarely lead, they simply wait for society to shift its gear and then they get pragmatic and try to be seen pushing things ahead. Personal views sometimes mean politically if they don't secure votes, as the Republicans may find in future years unless they refocus the ball game. Everyone needs a little damage limitation in the world of PR Obama was doing what he knew he needed to do for the country, but especially his voter base. I doubt he did all that he wanted to do. Yepppppp
little2add Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) We have wonderful medical professionals/ institutes/ facilities, that is worth every cent. Medical care in this day and age has a cost and if you think you're paying a lot now, just wait until it's (under Obamacare) free. Edited January 25, 2016 by little2add
Nihil Obstat Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 15 minutes ago, little2add said: We have wonderful medical professionals/ institutes/ facilities, that is worth every cent. Well, that is the debatable part. Is it really "worth every cent" if many other countries spend less and achieve better outcomes?
little2add Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) I don't know or care what healthcare costs are in the rest of the world but I am pretty sure that that most of the really complicated difficult surgeries are performed in the United States because it's the best most advanced healthcare in the world. 1 minute ago, Nihil Obstat said: Well, that is the debatable part. Is it really "worth every cent" if many other countries spend less and achieve better outcomes? Edited January 25, 2016 by little2add
Nihil Obstat Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, little2add said: I don't know or care what healthcare costs are in the rest of the world but I am pretty sure that that most of the really complicated difficult surgeries are performed in the United States because it's the best most advanced healthcare in the world. What flavour of koolaid do you prefer?
little2add Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) didn't' the Canadian prime minister receive his medical care, I think it was for cancer in New York, a few years ago? Edited January 25, 2016 by little2add
Nihil Obstat Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, little2add said: didn't' the Canadian prime minister receive his medical care, I think it was for cancer in New York, a few years ago? No, and also not the point.
PhuturePriest Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Nihil Obstat said: What flavour of koolaid do you prefer? There are apparently many options.
little2add Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 2 hours ago, Nihil Obstat said: What flavour of koolaid do you prefer? If you ever send any time in the cancer clinic watching someone die you might appreciate the love and devotion of the hospital caregivers. On the contrary to your ideas; doctors nurses and CNA's and others are severely underpaid Your assertion that millions of Americans go without healthcare is absurd Your little shot about drinking poison (Jim Jones) Kool-Aid is cruel and cheap Hope you are having a good laugh.... BTW: i never really cared for Kool-Aid .
Benedictus Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 The delusion in this thread has hit an all time high.
Nihil Obstat Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 32 minutes ago, little2add said: If you ever send any time in the cancer clinic watching someone die you might appreciate the love and devotion of the hospital caregivers. On the contrary to your ideas; doctors nurses and CNA's and others are severely underpaid Your assertion that millions of Americans go without healthcare is absurd Your little shot about drinking poison (Jim Jones) Kool-Aid is cruel and cheap Hope you are having a good laugh.... BTW: i never really cared for Kool-Aid . I said precisely nothing about how well paid or otherwise healthcare workers are. And I said precisely nothing as well about the number of Americans who do not have access to healthcare. Seems like I got your attention with the koolaid bit though, so I guess you read one thing I said in this whole thread. Victory achieved? (And I assure you that my laughter was both hearty and prolonged.)
little2add Posted January 26, 2016 Posted January 26, 2016 On January 20, 2016 at 7:33:10 PM, Nihil Obstat said: I should have mentioned above: while it is clear that the American healthcare system is broken and ineffective, most and perhaps all healthcare schemes across the world have serious and un-addressed flaws. The US is more flawed certainly, Basically, healthcare everywhere is broken (most especially the US), and nobody really knows for sure how it should be, or even if it can be fixed. what are you saying here?
Nihil Obstat Posted January 26, 2016 Posted January 26, 2016 11 minutes ago, little2add said: what are you saying here? I am saying exactly what I wrote. The American healthcare system is broken and ineffective, and nobody is precisely sure how to best address the problem.
little2add Posted January 26, 2016 Posted January 26, 2016 16 minutes ago, Nihil Obstat said: I am saying exactly what I wrote. The American healthcare system is broken and ineffective, and nobody is precisely sure how to best address the problem. It's not broken
Nihil Obstat Posted January 26, 2016 Posted January 26, 2016 14 minutes ago, little2add said: It's not broken Oh well, glad we sorted that out then. We must inform The World at once.
little2add Posted January 26, 2016 Posted January 26, 2016 Just now, Nihil Obstat said: Oh well, glad we sorted that out then. We must inform The World at once. K
Nihil Obstat Posted January 26, 2016 Posted January 26, 2016 By the way, there is no war in the middle east and Roe vs. Wade was struck down fifteen years ago.
PhuturePriest Posted January 26, 2016 Posted January 26, 2016 The anger is strong with this thread. Good. Fight! Fight! Dance, monkeys! Dance!
dairygirl4u2c Posted January 26, 2016 Author Posted January 26, 2016 (edited) On 1/23/2016, 7:37:14, Socrates said: http://www.wsj.com/articles/price-tag-of-bernie-sanders-proposals-18-trillion-1442271511 i see that number floated a lot. but at best it could only be correct if you dont count what the country is saving in terms of lower premiums etc. no serious person has ever posited that single payer costs more. little2add is a lone voice and by no means a scholar. everyone else in this thread and people in the know know that it's cheaper and covers everyone with better outcomes in general. go ahead, i challenge anyone who thinks it costs more to find any reputable site that says otherwise. you cant do it. you have as much google power as anyone. all i've seen is little2add say a state didn't implement it due to cost, when that state had more than costs as a factor to why it didn't work there. Edited January 26, 2016 by dairygirl4u2c
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