Women and Selective service

[PhuturePriest]

33 minutes ago, bardegaulois said:

And who made you the arbiter of whether a war is just or not? Young people often presume they are divinely appointed to do so, but oddly enough their conclusions about what is just almost always happens to coincide exactly with what it is that they would fancy doing anyway. Look at all these psychopathic "SJWs" on university campuses nowadays if you doubt me. Likewise, I have never met a sincere pacifist. I've met plenty of people who've claimed to be pacifists, but, on getting to know them better, I found them generally to be cowards lacking in character.

To be realistic for a moment, there will never be another draft in the United States save in case of an immanent invasion, which fact alone is sufficient to make the war just. Less than 10% of military personnel are in combat positions, so it's most likely you wouldn't be placed in a combat position but instead one in which your aptitudes will allow you better to serve the forces. It's fine to think in hypotheticals, but given an option between spending a couple character-building years as an army cook or mechanic or spending a few more years than that in confinement in disciplinary barracks and the label "felon" following you around throughout life, I'd hope you'd have the good sense to choose the former.

"We are braver than they are, because we would rather die than kill another human being." -- Karol Wojtyla

I've already established I would not mind working in a non-combatant role, if it were necessary. I really don't understand why you keep harping about this.

2 hours ago, superblue said:

he is too busy kicking porn in the face and having bon fires to burn his non homosexual posters of that one Jonas brother he was crushing on to really have to worry about ever serving in the military. Plus there is a physical fitness test that there is no possible way he could ever pass to even have to worry about needing to be a coward and running.

God bless you.

[bardegaulois]

20 minutes ago, PhuturePriest said:

"We are braver than they are, because we would rather die than kill another human being." -- Karol Wojtyla

I've already established I would not mind working in a non-combatant role, if it were necessary. I really don't understand why you keep harping about this.

God bless you.

Another you don't understand is that the attitude you are displaying here appears somewhat self-righteous and entitled. It's a common vice among the younger generation, but is a great source of annoyance to their elders, leaving many mourning the fate of their society. If that's an attitude you intend to keep throughout your life, please reconsider going to seminary. The Church has no need of such priests.

[superblue]

2 hours ago, Basilisa Marie said:

Dude quit inflicting posts that convey a nasty attitude on people. It tends to give the impression that you're stupid and mean, and obviously that isn't true. 

 

Okay.

https://youtu.be/LlLX6KSdWcQ

3 hours ago, Nihil Obstat said:

Seriously guys, are we not going to call out Superglue here? Something is clearly wrong with him. But regardless, he should not be posting here.

https://youtu.be/LlLX6KSdWcQ

[superblue]

 

3 hours ago, Nihil Obstat said:

I do sincerely and honestly think he has some sort of emotional problem or mental illness. His posting is erratic, aggressive, and mostly incoherent. He needs professional help.

yeah, says the troll who likes to go thrown out mom jokes, if you are getting that worked up just grow up a lil, use the ignore button and pick n choose which of my posts ya wana look at.  Instead of resorting to your own " sincere opinions ", no one here is begging you to read anything I have to say, so one has to wonder why you insist on keeping tabs on me. Ah I know it has to be that self righteous , arrogant, self imposed scholarly attitude that you exhibit on a daily basis that  you and your small internet click think is sooo special on here.

But I get it, it is the internet you need something to do, so this is all ya got. Just try not to focus all of your internet life on me.

Edited February 7, 2016 by superblue

[beatitude]

3 hours ago, bardegaulois said:

Another you don't understand is that the attitude you are displaying here appears somewhat self-righteous and entitled. It's a common vice among the younger generation, but is a great source of annoyance to their elders, leaving many mourning the fate of their society. If that's an attitude you intend to keep throughout your life, please reconsider going to seminary. The Church has no need of such priests.

Most of my male relatives were in the military. I grew up on military bases as a kid and later ended up working in the humanitarian sector with victims of war, sometimes at very high personal risk. I've seen several posts from you that glorify the military, but I do not know if you have ever been face-to-face with a child who woke up in hospital to find that everybody else in his family was dead and he would be growing up alone. I have. I was the one who broke the news.

My views on war are very similar to Phuture Priest, so his ideas are not just the preserve of teenagers without life experience. He has a right to his opinion; you have a right to yours. Try and be civil in how you express it. There's no need to insinuate that someone is unfit to be a priest for not having your ideas.

[Nihil Obstat]

47 minutes ago, superblue said:

 

yeah, says the troll who likes to go thrown out mom jokes, if you are getting that worked up just grow up a lil, use the ignore button and pick n choose which of my posts ya wana look at.  Instead of resorting to your own " sincere opinions ", no one here is begging you to read anything I have to say, so one has to wonder why you insist on keeping tabs on me. Ah I know it has to be that self righteous , arrogant, self imposed scholarly attitude that you exhibit on a daily basis that  you and your small internet click think is sooo special on here.

But I get it, it is the internet you need something to do, so this is all ya got. Just try not to focus all of your internet life on me.

Get some help, bro. Get better.

[SaintOfVirtue]

20 hours ago, PhuturePriest said:

It certainly gets less complex when the Pope (who is now canonized) openly says a war lacks the necessary qualifiers to be just and is, therefore, an unjust war.

We go around the world taking out regimes we don't like without being asked to, put in a government that we like, and expect to be praised for it.

Unless the Pope is speaking from the Chair of Peter and declaring infallibly that a war is unjust; then his is just an opinion.  A weighty opinion, but an opinion nonetheless.  (You seem to be referencing some specific event which I have no knowledge of so I cannot comment further on that matter.)

It is mostly sentences such as the last one that make you sound naive.  I only say that because I'm not sure if you are trying to be satirical, intentionally over simplifying, or if you really believe that to be the motivation behind recent wars.  I'm assuming it's the last case. 

Now, I am NOT calling you a coward or saying you are unfit for the priesthood, so just because I am critical of the opinions you've expressed don't go lumping me in with those who do.

 

3 hours ago, superblue said:

 

yeah, says the troll who likes to go thrown out mom jokes, if you are getting that worked up just grow up a lil, use the ignore button and pick n choose which of my posts ya wana look at.  Instead of resorting to your own " sincere opinions ", no one here is begging you to read anything I have to say, so one has to wonder why you insist on keeping tabs on me. Ah I know it has to be that self righteous , arrogant, self imposed scholarly attitude that you exhibit on a daily basis that  you and your small internet click think is sooo special on here.

But I get it, it is the internet you need something to do, so this is all ya got. Just try not to focus all of your internet life on me.

Bro, you need to chill out.

Edited February 7, 2016 by SaintOfVirtue

[Peace]

On February 2, 2016 at 7:08:03 PM, truthfinder said:

Obviously this is an American thing, but as far as I can recall Canadian women have been 'draftable' for years (although the way the armed forces are going, I'd probably be kept out for being a bigot or something - after they got over the fact that I'm short and can't run to save my life). 

Wait a cotton picking minute. Canada has a military?

[Nihil Obstat]

51 minutes ago, Peace said:

Wait a cotton picking minute. Canada has a military?

A darn good one, considering our size and general lack of characteristic American belligerence.

[Luigi]

55 minutes ago, Peace said:

Wait a cotton picking minute. Canada has a military?

If I wanted to sink to Saturday Night Live Canadian-sketch level and make cheap jokes about the Canadian military, I'd say something about three sled teams and a Korean War helicopter. But I'm not gonna sink to that level. 

[Not A Real Name]

Canadian Rob Furlong held the record for longest recorded sniper kill for some time until a UK chap took the lead in 09. 

Edited February 7, 2016 by Not A Real Name

[PhuturePriest]

7 hours ago, bardegaulois said:

 

 

3 minutes ago, Not A Real Name said:

Canadian Rob Furlong held the record for longest recorded sniper kill for some time until a UK chap took the lead in 09. 

Sniping the moose outside of his window doesn't count. 

[Not A Real Name]

4 minutes ago, PhuturePriest said:

 

Sniping the moose outside of his window doesn't count. 

It does if it's a terrorist moose. Part of the Moosejahideen

Edited February 7, 2016 by Not A Real Name

[Basilisa Marie]

16 hours ago, bardegaulois said:

Another you don't understand is that the attitude you are displaying here appears somewhat self-righteous and entitled. It's a common vice among the younger generation, but is a great source of annoyance to their elders, leaving many mourning the fate of their society. If that's an attitude you intend to keep throughout your life, please reconsider going to seminary. The Church has no need of such priests.

Hey buddy. 

What do feet taste like? 

[Peace]

On 2/5/2016, 10:17:55, SaintOfVirtue said:

By the way, the whole "just war" thing is a mere exercise in philosophy; it has little practical application.  Real wars are so complex and dynamic it is impossible to label them objectively just or unjust until the history books are written.

What exactly are you suggesting? The just war doctrine is a very well estabished Catholic principle and we are obliged to follow it.  It is not just an "exercise in philosophy". Are you suggesting that we can simply ignore it because making the determination is difficult? Just do whatver you want and figure out after the fact whether or not it was justified?

It is not impossible to determine whether a war is just or unjust until after the war has taken place. If you cannot demonstrate that a war is just then it is defacto unjust. Your view seems like you wanting to duck the responsibility to do what the Catholic Church requires. And it appears to be flatly wrong:

2309 The strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. The gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. At one and the same time:

- the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;

- all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;

- there must be serious prospects of success;

- the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition.

These are the traditional elements enumerated in what is called the "just war" doctrine.

The evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good.