Main aspects of Carmelite spirituality

[MarysLittleFlower]

2 hours ago, Chiquitunga said:

Yes, it's typical as far as the Carmels (Discalced) I visited/know of through others, etc. It's specifically written in the Constitutions.

By the way, you probably saw this thread from a couple years ago, but just in case http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/133019-discalced-carmelite-nuns-38-gregorian-chant-questions/

Oh nice! Thank you :) it must really feel like a feast to them with the Gregorian chant ;) 

1 hour ago, NadaTeTurbe said:

Does not-discalced carmelite nuns still exist ? 

I think so? I think there are two different Constitutions (if i got the name right) from different years in the 90s and one is stricter/more traditional. I don't know if they are both discalced or not. I think discalced are those that came from St Teresa's reform.  Other posters would know more I'm sure

[NadaTeTurbe]

Yes, they are two constitutions, 90 and 91 (the main difference is not the tradition, it's that one depends of the brothers, while the other of the Pope), but both constitutions are Discalced Carmelite. I'm sure one of the carmel in my region in Spain wasn't discalced until the 80's, where they became discalced (lack of vocations = discalced carmelites came). And when it comes to the brothers of carmel, there's two carmelite monastery for men, in France, who are not discalced. Thats why I wonder... 

I wrote to the carmel next to my city, asking for prayers. The prioress answered me, asking me if I wanted to come in the Carmel, and that a friend of the sisters could drive me from the station to the Carmel ! I'm really excited about it  

[MarysLittleFlower]

That's so cool!  I hope you get to visit! im hoping to visit a Carmel too.

I didn't know that about depending on brothers or the Pope. I did hear that one of them (I forget if 90 or 91) is stricter and the other more modernised I guess. I haven't generally heard about 'calced' Carmelites though... I guess they're out there but for sure most seem to be discalced... Maybe someone knows

Edited February 15, 2016 by MarysLittleFlower

[truthfinder]

From what I know, there's about a handful of Calced Carmelite convents in the U.S.  They have often picked up some of Teresa's reforms over the centuries. 

[AveMariaPurissima]

Are calced Carmelites the same thing as Carmelites of the Ancient Observance?  There's a monastery of Carmelite Nuns of the Ancient Observance in Wahpeton, ND. http://carmelofmary.org/

[Graciela]

The Carmelites of the Ancient Observance are the Order of Carmelites (O.Carm) that St. Teresa of Avila originally entered.  Her reform became the Order of Discalced Carmelites (OCD), though it was a long and fraught process (St. John of the Cross being imprisoned by the OCarm friars and much intrigue. St. Teresa of Avila's Letters tell the story fascinatingly.

OCarm cloistered nuns in the U.S. are in Allentown PA, Hudson WI, Christoval TX and in Wahpeton ND.  The Order's website lists all the world wide monasteries of the OCarm nuns in their Directory. Here is their website: http://ocarm.org/en/   

Edited February 17, 2016 by Graciela
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[NadaTeTurbe]

Thank you ! What are the main difference between OCD and O.Carm ? 

[vee]

On 2/15/2016, 6:01:57, NadaTeTurbe said:

 

I wrote to the carmel next to my city, asking for prayers. The prioress answered me, asking me if I wanted to come in the Carmel, and that a friend of the sisters could drive me from the station to the Carmel ! I'm really excited about it  

Im excited for you!!!  When do you visit?