havok579257 Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 So one of my sons wants to experience the Latin Mass and so I told him I would find a mass we could go to this weekend that was the Latin Mass. I found one that is not to far away to attend but it says it is an FSSP institution. Is this ok to go to? Are they in communion with Rome? Is it licit just like the Novus Ordo Mass? I know the SSPX are not in communion with Rome. I keep seeing things mentioning FSSP and the latin Mass but am unsure if they are in communion with Rome. I just obviously don't want to go to a mass Sunday that is not a proper valid mass to go to on Sunday. I don't really know a whole lot of the FSSP. Any help would be appriciated? I have only been to a latin mass I think once because they are not relatively close to where we live, so I am unsure about a lot of it. Oh and one final question, on this parish website is says they offer the low mass and high mass. What's the difference? Is one longer? Is it good to go to either?
DominicanHeart Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 FSSP is fine. Low Mass is way less singing. Therefore it is shorter. High Mass is all sung. It is usually longer
truthfinder Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 Yes, FSSP is completely in communion with Rome - it's why they exist (they broke from the SSPX in the late 1980s in order to re-unite with Rome). (Also, as an aside, SSPX aren't exactly not in communion, they're more so canonically irregular - particularly as Pope Francis has basically acknowledged their confessions. But you're still better off at the FSSP). Low Mass is also called a 'said Mass' - but depending on the priest, this could mean more like whispered Mass. I think I would have been completely lost if that's the first EF that I went to. (And DominicanHeart beat me to it)
Amppax Posted March 25, 2017 Posted March 25, 2017 There's several walkthroughs of the EF available online, so if you're worried about being lost or confused, maybe take the time to watch something first? Also, High Mass will be longer, but I'd suggest that for your first time. That's the ideal way for the EF to be celebrated.
DominicanHeart Posted March 26, 2017 Posted March 26, 2017 5 hours ago, truthfinder said: Yes, FSSP is completely in communion with Rome - it's why they exist (they broke from the SSPX in the late 1980s in order to re-unite with Rome). (Also, as an aside, SSPX aren't exactly not in communion, they're more so canonically irregular - particularly as Pope Francis has basically acknowledged their confessions. But you're still better off at the FSSP). Low Mass is also called a 'said Mass' - but depending on the priest, this could mean more like whispered Mass. I think I would have been completely lost if that's the first EF that I went to. (And DominicanHeart beat me to it) I love my Latin Mass
Kateri89 Posted March 26, 2017 Posted March 26, 2017 Yes I agree that the high mass is the best way to experience the Latin Mass for the first time. If the parish has a particularly good schola (choir), you'll be mesmerized. Well, that's what I experienced and now I belong to a Latin Mass parish. The high Mass lasts about an hour and a half.
Nihil Obstat Posted March 26, 2017 Posted March 26, 2017 4 hours ago, Amppax said: Also, High Mass will be longer, but I'd suggest that for your first time. That's the ideal way for the EF to be celebrated. Technically the full pontifical Mass from the throne is the ideal way for it to be celebrated.
truthfinder Posted March 26, 2017 Posted March 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Nihil Obstat said: Technically the full pontifical Mass from the throne is the ideal way for it to be celebrated. But the standard is the high Mass. You could argue that the pontifical High at the Throne is the 'fullness' of the diocesan life, but high Mass is the expected reality for the parish level.
Nihil Obstat Posted March 26, 2017 Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, truthfinder said: But the standard is the high Mass. You could argue that the pontifical High at the Throne is the 'fullness' of the diocesan life, but high Mass is the expected reality for the parish level. I would argue, at least based on my understanding, that a solemn pontifical Mass from the throne, as you said, is the fullness of the rite, and in some sense I would also argue that it is the ultimate standard from which we derive the different forms of the Roman use in the Latin Church (i.e. low Mass, Missa cantata, missa solemnis etc.). But certainly a solemn High Mass is the realistic standard, and in a pragmatic sense it would be the ideal for the vast majority of TLM communities. So pretty much what you said, I guess. If I remember correctly from reading Laszlo Dobszay, around the time of Trent the Mass that we now have as the Roman Rite was essentially the Roman Use in all of the cathedrals and major churches in the city. I believe Dobszay referred to it in this context as the Curial Use of the Roman Rite, alongside the Use of Premontre in the Norbertine Rite, the Use of Salisbury in the Roman Rite, etc. Edited March 26, 2017 by Nihil Obstat
Amppax Posted March 26, 2017 Posted March 26, 2017 17 hours ago, Nihil Obstat said: Technically the full pontifical Mass from the throne is the ideal way for it to be celebrated. Go away.
Jack4 Posted March 27, 2017 Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) On 3/26/2017 at 7:17 AM, Nihil Obstat said: the ideal way 22 hours ago, truthfinder said: the 'fullness' of the diocesan life Edited March 27, 2017 by Jack4
havok579257 Posted March 30, 2017 Author Posted March 30, 2017 Just now, Amppax said: Did you end up going @havok579257? we ended up going to a latin mass at an institue of christ the king parish. The mass was definetly long. Just short of two hours. My son who wanted to go (he is 4) liked it. I will say that two hours was hard with 4 kids and one being 1 year old. Also it was definetly hard to follow. We usually go to the Novus Ordo mass and I will admit it is a lot easier to follow and a lot easier to feel like you get something out of it than the latin mass. Now don't get me wrong, I loved certain parts of the mass like the organ as opposed to the guitar, the incense, the priest going around with the holy water but it was really hard to feel like I got something out of the mass because I didn't understand latin obviously and I had no idea what was going on. My wife and I were completely lost since we don't know any latin. My son wants to go again to the latin mass so I think this weekend we will be going to the FSSP mass that is a low mass. I was hesitant to go to the low mass at first because what I read elsewhere, people indicated that it could be as short as 20 minutes. I definetly did not want my sons first experience at the latin mass to be a 20 minute mass. Also to me, 20 minutes seems very short for a mass. I know its valid but it just seems short. Although trying to make it almost 2 hours with a one year old was a challenge since it definetly seemed like we were out of place since everyone else was dead silent during the mass and our one year old was great but was still acting and making noise like a typical 1 year old. So some positive and some not so positive things about my sons first latin mass (only my second ever). Does anyone who goes to the latin mass a lot have any advice for the things I mentioned above?
Nihil Obstat Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 Low Mass will likely be closer to an hour (like 45-65 minutes). Much less is technically possible, but generally only for privately celebrated Masses, no congregation, no homily, etc.
Amppax Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 1 hour ago, havok579257 said: we ended up going to a latin mass at an institue of christ the king parish. The mass was definetly long. Just short of two hours. My son who wanted to go (he is 4) liked it. I will say that two hours was hard with 4 kids and one being 1 year old. Also it was definetly hard to follow. We usually go to the Novus Ordo mass and I will admit it is a lot easier to follow and a lot easier to feel like you get something out of it than the latin mass. Now don't get me wrong, I loved certain parts of the mass like the organ as opposed to the guitar, the incense, the priest going around with the holy water but it was really hard to feel like I got something out of the mass because I didn't understand latin obviously and I had no idea what was going on. My wife and I were completely lost since we don't know any latin. My son wants to go again to the latin mass so I think this weekend we will be going to the FSSP mass that is a low mass. I was hesitant to go to the low mass at first because what I read elsewhere, people indicated that it could be as short as 20 minutes. I definetly did not want my sons first experience at the latin mass to be a 20 minute mass. Also to me, 20 minutes seems very short for a mass. I know its valid but it just seems short. Although trying to make it almost 2 hours with a one year old was a challenge since it definetly seemed like we were out of place since everyone else was dead silent during the mass and our one year old was great but was still acting and making noise like a typical 1 year old. So some positive and some not so positive things about my sons first latin mass (only my second ever). Does anyone who goes to the latin mass a lot have any advice for the things I mentioned above? Some kind of missal is really helpful, though I'm sure it'll be hard to use with kids so young. Most parishes I've been to have the Ecclesia Dei Latin-English Booklet Missal available, did they have anything like that? If you're going to start going regularly, it may be a good idea to pick up a missal; I've obtained each of my missal's for free from relatives, but I've seen fairly inexpensive ones in various places. Also, from everything I've seen, the FSSP do a lot to help make the Latin Mass more accessible (Nihil or truthfinder can speak more to that, I don't have any direct experience with FSSP). If you have the time (from what I've seen, 20-30 minutes), I'd again recommend watching one of the various introduction to the Extraordinary Form that exist. There are quite a few on YouTube videos on the topic. @Nihil Obstat would you have any recommendations in this regard? However, what I'll say from my own experience is that you pick up on more and more as time goes on. Though I don't currently attend the EF all that often, when I attended more frequently it became more familiar and comfortable over time. Hope that helps!
Nihil Obstat Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 I would have recommendations. I will make a better post this evening. There are also good missals with pictures. The Edmund Campion missal in particular.
KnightofChrist Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 Check out these links for Latin Mass missals for children. The comic book themed one could be interesting to young boys. http://www.ccwatershed.org/kids/ Angelus Press reprints the Marian Childrens Missal originally published in the 50's. It was made for 4-8 year olds. Now Angelus is the printing press of the SSPX but the missal is as i stated a copy of the orginal. Also it can be found elsewhere. This may also be helpful. http://www.onepeterfive.com/helping-children-enter-traditional-latin-mass-part-2/
Nihil Obstat Posted March 30, 2017 Posted March 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Nihil Obstat said: I would have recommendations. I will make a better post this evening. There are also good missals with pictures. The Edmund Campion missal in particular. I will have to wait until tomorrow. Today is a day.
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