The Salvation Army

[Mr Cameron]

I also wonder how grace can be infused into a soul that is still under the affliction of original sin? Which, we assume, the Salvationist's soul ought still to be.

But then again, an individual that has grown up a Salvationist all his life is utterly convinced of his church's teaching. So, he might be content and absolutely sure he's going to heaven so long as he acts morally and spiritually. I wonder so much about this!

[Guest]

While we humans are bound by the rules of logic and reason more or less, God is not.  For myself personally, I cannot conceive of a Good and Just, All Merciful God, Who Is Love for all His creatures, rejecting in some way a person who has lived a good life or even a person who has sinned seriously and repents.  Both the previous being unbaptised. 

Once in Catholicism, in our history, an unbaptised with water person could not enter Heaven under any circumstances.  Later, The Church proclaimed baptism of blood and also of desire.  As Catholics, we do tend to think we know it all full stop, nothing more to know.  However, the depth of Scripture and the Mystery of God are an endless treasure as our history does reveal.

[little2add]

there thrift store is nice.  I'am not too proud to shop there.   Also, the Salvation Army donates all profits to its charity work.

 

[A Yearning Heart]

I've often wondered about baptism, where baptism by desire applies, and where someone might not be baptised (given their circumstances in life, it's just never been a realistic option for them) and what happens then?

I think there is a papal document somewhere that mentions those who have responded to Christ to the best of their ability and their circumstances of life would surely not be lacking the mercy of God.  Just can't remember where...

I've supported the Salvation Army at their second-hand stores and also on their annual door-knock appeal.  They do great work with the homeless. 

This parable always comes to mind about the practicalities of living the Gospel:  

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’"  Matthew 25:34-40

 

 

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Repent means to turn away from. And saint Paul says I think that none are exempt from grace. I think all persons are warned by the lord to not sin when temptation comes in, we are all given a way out or to turn away from, and then if we do sin there are terrible signs to call us away from that sin and not glorify in it, though some, half or most hearts are deceived to varying degrees and can not hear god properly before the act or after and some so entrenched in sin that the darkness of there conciounce is so thick after years of denying god voice and signs that they can not hear or see at all, they are blind. Baptism cleans out the spiritual eyes and ears as does the absolution of the confessional and the other sacraments. Perhaps? I'm not so learned in such things its just a guess.

[GraceUk]

I didn't know that they didn't baptise.  Still I always give them something if I see them collecting here in the UK.  They do a lot of good work with the homeless and people who have nothing.  Feed my sheep.  I think that's important.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

6 hours ago, GraceUk said:

I didn't know that they didn't baptise.  Still I always give them something if I see them collecting here in the UK.  They do a lot of good work with the homeless and people who have nothing.  Feed my sheep.  I think that's important.

Yes agreed that all must be fed and clothed at the least. And even if they are wrong god is using them to do good keeping in mind though that there are other charities that feed and clothe the poor including holy mother church, but I don't see anything wrong in giving anyone $1 who asks for it including the salvos if you have money spare. I went to one of there rehabs for 3mnths and they let me go to the local catholic church and never once tried to tell me that the catholic faith is wrong.

Edited January 29, 2018 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye