Impeach abortion

[Lilllabettt]

On 4/12/2020 at 5:21 PM, Anastasia13 said:

When someone tries to make policies that take care of black lives while also addressing where police might be more vulnerable in some communities, they seem more convincing that they care about a practical application of the intent behind black lives matter than just their own single-minded cause. Rare is the day I have ever in my life heard a pro-lifer talk about making adoption more available (I think this came up once on a tv program in a profile show or a movie), and even more frequent is the opposition to making programs to help single moms and moms in distress because that would only cause them to spend their lives leaching off of the system or wasting other taxpayers dollars. ANY pro-life group I have ever heard in my life gives only and exclusively the answer to such women as those in high school, those who have had severe post-pardom depression, those in major financial need, and those who feared for their safety if they gave birth, was that they had to give birth anyway. I have longed for the day I would ever hear a pro-life group offer much practical consideration to the reasons why someone would support abortion (besides those limited to the belief that a fetus doesn't matter). Most of the political groups, at least around me, that would traditional identify as pro-life answer that any program to help those whose challenges keep them from having to live in poverty for the rest of their careers (unless they marry well) would just cause them to be leaches off of the system or dismiss them as already being leaches on the system. I know several pro-choice people whose stance is based on things I have brought up here and whose stance would likely change if the real life examples of these had solutions. Pro-life people never publicly address these in high profile pro-life work. Why? Shouldn't blue lives matter and black lives matter find a way to co-exist in support of life because both have meaningful contributions to public policy?

Here are some ideas:

1.  Actual poverty is when you must walk 2 hrs every day to fetch a clean bucket of water, there is a shallow hole by the road where you may defecate, and none of your children above the age of 8 go to school because they must work to eat. Roughly 1 billion people live this way, none of them in the US. The idea that abortion might be justified because a woman is/will be living in the "relative poverty" of the US is effing RIDICULOUS.  Poor people don't have to die so that those slightly above them on the ladder have better lives. Better meaning: 2 days off vs 6- 7 days of menial labor, an in unit washer and dryer Vs. the laundromat, separate bedrooms vs all in one bedroom; antenna tv vs basic cable. We can afford a night out at chipotle instead of taco (so tasty) bell, and all it cost was my unborn child's life! Yay! Even entertaining this rationale as legitimate is disgusting. It degrades women to even suggest they make an economic calculation and decide to kill their child because of cashflow. That's one reason "prolife leadership" doesn't address it, because it's ridiculous and disgusting.  

2. Theres zero evidence such a tactic "works." Sweden, with it's democratic socialist and pro natalist policies has a higher abortion rate than America.  Europeans of all kinds kill their offspring by the millions every year. Here in the US the abortion rate goes down every year regardless of which party has control, for many reasons but mostly because it's harder and and harder to get one. Some women are "too poor" to cross state lines and get one (boo hoo). Poor women know many other poor women who successful give birth and/or raise children. Poor families across the world are extremely confused by the idea that they can't afford to have kids as their experience is the opposite.  In the end poor women get abortions for the same reason rich women do: Because it provides immediate gratification for the problems of being pregnant and because they can.  

3. Adoption is EXTREMELY accessible to expecting mothers. For every newborn made available for adoption there are between 20 and 36 families waiting for a child. A birth mother can expect to receive $5-20k in living expenses plus medical bills paid. Newborns are immediately or almost immediately adopted - no matter their race, class or disability.  Even babies that are born addicted to drugs are quickly adopted. The myth that babies are languishing waiting to be adopted is a pro choice to kill fantasy.  Of course, many women would prefer to kill their offspring rather than place for adoption, because "it would hurt too much." Boo hoo and all. 

 

 

[Norseman82]

There are differences between abortion and the death penalty. 

1)  Abortion is an intrinsic evil, with latae sententiae excommunication penalties in canon law.  The death penalty, when the guilt is established beyond a reasonable doubt  (and beyond), is not; in fact, the Church admits it allowed it in the past, and God Himself commanded it in certain cases because the offender has "forfeited his life". 

2)  There is a difference between innocence and guilt. 

Also, the whole "seamless garment" theory was a risk that failed; instead of succeeding in bringing liberals into the pro-life camp, it diluted the pro-life movement's focus from abortion / infanticide / euthanasia and gave cover to Catholics who supported abortion to appeal to pro-lifers by making it appear they are pro-life even though they are pro-abortion. 

[Anastasia13]

On 4/13/2020 at 4:07 AM, little2add said:

The notion that pro lifers don’t care or support human life after birth is another separate argument altogether.

a straw-dog if you will. 

Not meant to detract from the fact that abortion is wrong, but being vocal about solutions to issues would help activate people I know or have known on the issue. I mostly hear pro-life activists disregard those as almost as though they were offensive to bring up and never speak on it except to say that it doesn’t matter. If you prefer, we can discuss in a different thread. I cannot be the only face of pro-life that those people see.

[Lea]

39 minutes ago, Anastasia13 said:

Not meant to detract from the fact that abortion is wrong, but being vocal about solutions to issues would help activate people I know or have known on the issue. I mostly hear pro-life activists disregard those as almost as though they were offensive to bring up and never speak on it except to say that it doesn’t matter. If you prefer, we can discuss in a different thread. I cannot be the only face of pro-life that those people see.

You are not alone  

[little2add]

2 hours ago, Anastasia13 said:

offensive to bring up

or you could be making excuses to justify  bad behavior

 

[Anastasia13]

9 hours ago, Lea said:

You are not alone  

Thank you. 

[little2add]

 

https://www.westernjournal.com/ob-gyn-delivered-2500-babies-blows-lid-off-ny-abortion-law-want-clear-something/ 

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[little2add]

it is estimated that over one million abortions were performed in the U.S. through the use of mifepristone, in the last year.  Approximately 10.9% or over100,000 women experienced serious harmful effects.

Health Insurance Data Reveals One in Ten Patients Experiences a Serious Adverse Event

10.93 percent of women experience sepsis, infection, hemorrhaging, or another serious or life-threatening adverse event within 45 days following a mifepristone abortion.

 

 

 

Edited June 18, 2025 by little2add

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[little2add]

Planned Parenthood Quits Providing Abortions in 4 States As Federal Funding Ends

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2025/10/03/planned-parent-quits-providing-abortions-in-4-states-as-federal-funding-ends-n3807432 

Thank God, the Trump administration and Congress have cut off federal funding for this Satanic organization

For years, we have been told a transparent lie: that federal funds provided to Planned Parenthood never went to pay for abortions. 

I say the lie was transparent because, well, it was. Money is fungible, and money that flows to Planned Parenthood supports its abortion business, no matter what they say. The only reason that fiction was even uttered was that, for much of its history, federal law prohibited direct funding of abortions. 

Planned Parenthood does many objectionable things--it is one of the largest providers of "gender-affirming" care, and from what we know, that is a nice little business for it. It works tirelessly to propagandize alphabet ideology, both inside and outside the schools. If you ever wonder where the schools get such objectionable sexual education materials, Planned Parenthood is one of the sources of all the hideous material. 

Edited October 3, 2025 by little2add