Fund the police

[little2add]

Doesn’t it make more sense to hire additional police rather than him reduce numbers.    reducing officer workload would increase the likelihood of solving violent crimes. Police officers are overworked and overstressed.  police officers have to respond to everything from potholes in the street, to cats stuck up a tree, Domestic violence, deadly traffic accidents, drunkenness and operating a motor Vehicle, etc.   It’s not a easy job.  

I think mistakes are made by police because They are overwhelmed and are stretched too thin.  

The BLM movement has destroyed all respect for the rule of law and respect for police.   Defunding will not solve anything, except for fanning the flames of HATE

17 people were shot dead in Chicago, last weekend, for no reason.   It’s a crying shame!

Edited July 7, 2020 by little2add

[Era Might]

Carl Sandberg, "Chicago," 1914

 Hog Butcher for the World,
        Tool maker, Stacker of Wheat,
        Player with Railroads and the Nation's
             Freight Handler;
        Stormy, husky, brawling,
        City of the Big Shoulders:

They tell me you are wicked and I believe them, for I have seen your painted women under the gas lamps luring the farm boys.
And they tell me you are crooked and I answer: yes, it is true I have seen the gunman kill and go free to kill again.
And they tell me you are brutal and my reply is: On the faces of women and children I have seen the marks of wanton hunger.
And having answered so I turn once more to those who sneer at this my city, and I give them back the sneer and say to them:
Come and show me another city with lifted head singing so proud to be alive and coarse and strong and cunning.
Flinging magnetic curses amid the toil of piling job on job, here is a tall bold slugger set vivid against the little soft cities;
Fierce as a dog with tongue lapping for action, cunning as a savage pitted against the wilderness,
            Bareheaded,
            Shoveling,
            Wrecking,
            Planning,
            Building, breaking, rebuilding,
Under the smoke, dust all over his mouth, laughing with white teeth,
Under the terrible burden of destiny laughing as a young man laughs,
Laughing even as an ignorant fighter laughs who has never lost a battle,
Bragging and laughing that under his wrist is the pulse, and under his ribs the heart of the people,
            Laughing!
Laughing the stormy, husky, brawling laughter of Youth, half-naked, sweating, proud to be Hog Butcher, Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat, Player with Railroads and Freight Handler to the Nation.

[Era Might]

Americans have big appetites for everything, for drugs above all else, for fruit and produce, for tobacco, now for cannabis. Police come from the same society everyone else does. They're the bureaucrats of power, like the middle class professionals who make up middle America. When we talk about increasing the police, already we've lost any kind of national discussion and the racism comes through. Police and prison are national institutions, they are the primary means America deals with its underclass, especially its black underclass but increasingly the white underclass as well, with white ppl killing themselves off through drugs and suicide. So this is a long way of saying no, we don't need more police, as if a policeman has any authority over a grown man. Police are supposed to be part of the community, not the solvers of society's social inequalities. As it is now, police are local military. In California, the same black and brown ppl who would have been imprisoned for selling marijuana, can now legally sell it to white ppl, with the state seal. The War on Drugs is over and it's time for the police to be demilitarized and sent home. They're just citizens like everyone else.

Edited July 7, 2020 by Era Might

[Anomaly]

It’s not just the drugs.  

We will always have conflict and tensions in society because people want different things in life, put in different effort, and experience long term, generational consequences of both their own choices and effects of other’s actions as well. 

A bit of cannot and would not.  

Most people simply want to live their lives they way they want to.    It’s a fight when it affects, or seems to affect, others.  And we never really know how much is your fault, their fault, or just the cost of being tolerant of others choices.  It’s not going to be resolved by violence. 

[little2add]

2 hours ago, Era Might said:

The War on Drugs is over

Hardly

In 2018, 67,367 people died in the US from (illegal) drug overdose’s.    

Fatal poisonings, more than 90% of which are drug overdoses, have increased by nearly 600% in the past 3 decades to become the leading cause of injury death in the United States.

Were it not for police paramedics Administering Naloxone (medication that reverses respiratory depression from opioid overdose) thousands of young adults would die.  

Police are needed.

[Era Might]

5 minutes ago, little2add said:

Hardly

In 2018, 67,367 people died in the US from (illegal) drug overdose’s.    

Fatal poisonings, more than 90% of which are drug overdoses, have increased by nearly 600% in the past 3 decades to become the leading cause of injury death in the United States.

Were it not for police paramedics Administering Naloxone (medication that reverses respiratory depression from opioid overdose) thousands of young adults would die.  

Police are needed.

This is exactly why the War on Drugs is over. 40+ years of "war" and the problem is worse than ever. Supposedly we're in a War against coronavirus. Imagine if in 2060, 67,367 ppl were dying yearly from coronavirus. And the solution was to hire more coroners. That's what the police are in this analogy, overworked coroners.

[little2add]

19 minutes ago, Era Might said:

hire more coroners.

Defunding coroners is akin to defunding police  makes sense 

[Era Might]

22 minutes ago, little2add said:

Defunding coroners is akin to defunding police  makes sense 

The point is that if, after 50 years, the War on Drugs has the noble distinction of 67k fatal overdoses every year, then it's a failed war. If you're hiring coroners, you're not solving the problem of coronavirus. If you're hiring police because you have unprecedented rates of drug overdose and youth violence, you're putting a lot of faith in government and state violence, and that's never a good reflection on society. Anyway, the image of lawless streets and leftist revolution is Trumpist propaganda. He's gotta play to all the scared white ppl who vote for him.

[little2add]

1 hour ago, Era Might said:

The point is that if,

Police departments are overworked and understaffed and not appreciated,  even worse disrespected. 

We (Society) need more not less policeman to keep the peace

[truthfinder]

Why does it have to be police? You mention potholes and cats in trees.  Those are not jobs for police.  Instead, money should be put into a civic (non emergency) line.  Many places have them. 

[little2add]

Okay, good start

[Seven77]

The police doesn't need more funding.

[little2add]

They’re overworked and spread too thin, in my opinion.   how will defunding help the situation?

 

 

[little2add]

FYI: Nearly 40 people were shot and three were killed during 4th of July weekend celebrations in New York City, police said.

The violence followed the city’s decision to strip more than $1 billion in funding from the New York Police Department (NYPD) and disband a prominent anti-crime unit.

[Era Might]

1 hour ago, little2add said:

They’re overworked and spread too thin, in my opinion.   how will defunding help the situation?

 

 

How will funding help the situation? America has a deficit of democracy. Black American citizens protest 500 years of history, and in America this is interpreted as the Haitian Revolution taking place in 2020. That's how racially warped the American mind is. Black ppl are problems to be solved by police, not actual citizens to be taken seriously when they exercise the second amendment and defend liberty and freedom according to the system they've been given. In all these suburbs and gentrified zones sweeping up across America, white and middle class ppl are peeping out there blinders wondering where all these black ppl came from and why they're so angry.  They want the police to keep everything civil, rather than look outside and face reality. But I think even a lot of white ppl are waking up to reality and the racist mind they've inherited. Black ppl are American citizens. They are making themselves heard and virtually the entire world has stood up in solidarity. Trump is losing right now, we'll see what he does.

When you increase police, but don't solve the deficit of democracy that makes the political system useless, you get a police state for an authoritarian like Trump.

Edited July 8, 2020 by Era Might

[little2add]

2 hours ago, Era Might said:

 authoritarian

Totalitarianism, authoritarianism, and fascism are all forms of government—and defining different forms of government isn't as easy as it might seem. None which describe the United States.

Comparing Tiananmen Square (pictured above) to the civil liberties of America is Ludicrous.  

SEE LINK: https://www.thoughtco.com/totalitarianism-authoritarianism-fascism-4147699 

 

We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Thomas Jefferson

[Era Might]

1 hour ago, little2add said:

Totalitarianism, authoritarianism, and fascism are all forms of government—and defining different forms of government isn't as easy as it might seem. None which describe the United States.

Comparing Tiananmen Square (pictured above) to the civil liberties of America is Ludicrous.  

SEE LINK: https://www.thoughtco.com/totalitarianism-authoritarianism-fascism-4147699 

 

We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Thomas Jefferson

Trump is an authoritarian by definition. He's part of a global wave of authoritarian victories. Trump is an authoritarian because he is uninterested in institutions. His solution to mass protests, for example, is not to take them seriously as a message from the people. His solution is to sic dogs and police on them. Even at a high level, Trump is not interested for example in building up America's diplomatic corps. This requires long-term institutional thinking.

America is exactly like Tianemen Square. The only difference is that America has institutions that protect a space for protest. But Trump is dismantling institutions, he's an authoritarian. Trump is a political entrepreneur. His money and power is independent from actual politics, he's not even accountable to his own party.

If you you want a good an analysis of Trump and the rise of authoritarianism since the Cold War, I suggest the historian and Stalin biographer Stephen Kotkin, particularly his three lectures at the IWM in Vienna where he discusses global geopolitics since the Cold War.

 

 

 

Edited July 8, 2020 by Era Might

[Era Might]

Black ppl are not your enemy. They are children of Abraham, just like you. The oldest human being we know of is Lucy, whose body was discovered in Ethiopia, billions of years old, the Eve of all humanity, from Africa. Black ppl have their own history. You can't erase that history by pretending that black ppl are American, so therefore their history is white history. Black ppl are a nation unto themselves, like the natives, but unlike the natives, black ppl have real political power. The US Government has always tried to stamp out black political power precisely because black ppl are African ppl in America. They are also Americans to the bone. If anybody has a claim to this country, it is black ppl.

[little2add]

4 hours ago, Era Might said:

Black ppl are not your enemy

Never said or ment to imply they are. 

 

4 hours ago, Era Might said:

. The US Government has always tried to stamp out black political

Nonsense, Affirmative action programs, The Civil Rights Act of 1964 effectively ended most Racial discrimination, a black man was elected to the highest office in the land, twice.

America is the land of the free and home of the brave

all men and woman are equal.

10 hours ago, little2add said:

We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Thomas Jefferson

 

 

 

[Era Might]

11 hours ago, little2add said:

Never said or ment to imply they are. 

 

Nonsense, Affirmative action programs, The Civil Rights Act of 1964 effectively ended most Racial discrimination, a black man was elected to the highest office in the land, twice.

America is the land of the free and home of the brave

all men and woman are equal.

 

 

 

I don't know who told you America is the land of the free and the home of the brave, but God didn't reveal that, so some man told you America is the land of the free and the home of the brave. Keep that in mind and ask whose history does that little idea serve, and why they made it up.

First, about the Civil Rights Act, I would note it was in 1964. That wasn't very long ago. By comparison, 56 years after Juneteenth in 1865 it was 1921, the start of the virulently racist and xenophobic 1920s, when the KKK was revived and immigration, including Catholic immigration, was curbed as America ripped itself out of the 19th century and the role it had played as the land of immigrants. Now it was a land of industrial workers and former slaves, and capitalists like Carnegie, etc. Remember, this is 1921, before even the decolonization of Africa and the Civil Rights movement. Slavery had been quickly replaced with the chain gang and Jim Crow. This was also the time of the great migration of black ppl from the South to industrial cities in the North like Chicago and New York. After 56 years of paper freedom, black ppl were still a despised race, like the Jews of Europe. And if you doubt that America stamps out black power, just look at what it did in the 1920s. The same man who helped bring down Martin Luther King and Malcolm X in the 1960s, was in the 1920s a young FBI man named J. Edgar Hoover. In the 20s, he helped destroy Marcus Garvey and the Universal Negro Improvement Association. Fast forward to the 1980s, the children of Marcus Garvey who had migrated to New York were systematically controlled no longer through institutionalized segregation, now they were controlled through the legal and prison system, particularly through enforcement of drug laws. Who was Obama? A constitutional lawyer. Not a politician or activist. Obama is about as black as this country can tolerate. Donald Trump has multiple children by several women. Who knows or cares about Obama's personal life, but his public image had to be impeccable. He had to be Heathcliff Huxtable, because The Cosby Show is the only black family most Americans know. A black man with children by multiple women paying off porn stars? Imagine that in a US election, it would never happen. Trump is a white man sowing his wild oats and enjoying his success, in the mind of white ppl. Black ppl are savages with a few noble exceptions like MLK. Marcus Garvey was the most incredible leader America has ever known, but he's been erased from American history because he was a BLACK leader. He was also nominally Catholic, btw.

Anyway, the point is, America's white ideology is crumbling, and either we start over around core principles that actually work for everybody, or we go the route of law and order. But no justice no peace, black ppl are not going to go back to the place they've been assigned. If America can't deal with that, then the die is cast.

Edited July 9, 2020 by Era Might