Rings

[Nunsuch]

3 hours ago, gloriana35 said:

I've seen advertisements for rings that have emblems of the Sacred Heart. (These must be relatively popular - the ads pop up on Facebook.) They are available online.  

I know various communities were dedicated to the Sacred Heart, but have no idea if they have such emblems on their profession rings.

@Sister Leticia?

[rosamundi]

11 hours ago, nikita92 said:

Sisters of Carmel sell a sterling silver Sacred Heart of Jesus ring for 80$

This may not make a difference to @adoro.te.devote but the Sisters of Carmel are not, AFAIK, in Communion with Rome.

[adoro.te.devote]

10 minutes ago, rosamundi said:

This may not make a difference to @adoro.te.devote but the Sisters of Carmel are not, AFAIK, in Communion with Rome.

I definitely wouldn't want to financially support a community that is not in communion with Rome.. especially in the case of schism, but irregular standing as well

It's good to know though that such rings exist

Edited September 24, 2020 by adoro.te.devote

[nikita92]

http://Telosartshop.com

I found a sterling silver (adjustable) ring on here for 29$

The young lady has a wonderful explanation of what the meaning is behind her choice of name was for her shop. 

[Anastasia]

6 hours ago, adoro.te.devote said:

I definitely wouldn't want to financially support a community that is not in communion with Rome.. especially in the case of schism, but irregular standing as well

Then, following this logic,  Roman Catholics must refrain from buying the Eastern Orthodox rosaries - yet, judging by this website they are quite keen on our rosaries, for whatever reason )).

It is of course entirely up to one to judge yet much of "Roman Catholic jewelry" are produced by non-Catholics or nominal.  Leaving apart the issue communion with Rome (which is murky) Sisters of Carmel do not teach anything heretical, quite contrary their books are solid Carmelite spirituality, without the New Age rubbish which is often present in communities which are in communion with Rome.

I would not buy anything from heretics though like those who try to blend Catholicism with the New Age. But I buy things from Sisters of Carmel. They make excellent woolen scapulars which no one else seems to make (others use the blend of polyester with something, quite unwearable and, in fact, untraditional, contrary to the Rules).

2 hours ago, nikita92 said:

http://Telosartshop.com

I found a sterling silver (adjustable) ring on here for 29$

The young lady has a wonderful explanation of what the meaning is behind her choice of name was for her shop. 

It is a very good ring which I think works best in silver - certainly not in yellow bronze. The silver (or the solid bronze) highlights its character. A good shop as well!

[Antigonos]

While the idea of religious jewelry does appeal, I think there is a question about where the money goes.  If, for example, rather than make altar breads, a convent produced rings or brooches of a religious nature as a means of creating income to help them survive or to aid in their apostolate, that would be a positive thing.  But a private company whose only reason for pandering to the religious public is to make money for itself seems to me to be another matter.

[Anastasia]

2 hours ago, Antigonos said:

But a private company whose only reason for pandering to the religious public is to make money for itself seems to me to be another matter.

I could not agree more. 

I also wish that monasteries would exercise a good taste and also a primacy of the content/purpose over the form. I mean that I find much of "religious jewelry" (I even do not like this term) to be quite empty. 

[nikita92]

The young lady of this shop is a practicing Catholic!

You can e-mail her with any questions you may have on what she does with the *funds* she receives from her sales if you wish. 

[Nunsuch]

22 hours ago, Anastasia said:

Then, following this logic,  Roman Catholics must refrain from buying the Eastern Orthodox rosaries - yet, judging by this website they are quite keen on our rosaries, for whatever reason )).

It is of course entirely up to one to judge yet much of "Roman Catholic jewelry" are produced by non-Catholics or nominal.  Leaving apart the issue communion with Rome (which is murky) Sisters of Carmel do not teach anything heretical, quite contrary their books are solid Carmelite spirituality, without the New Age rubbish which is often present in communities which are in communion with Rome.

I would not buy anything from heretics though like those who try to blend Catholicism with the New Age. But I buy things from Sisters of Carmel. They make excellent woolen scapulars which no one else seems to make (others use the blend of polyester with something, quite unwearable and, in fact, untraditional, contrary to the Rules).

It is a very good ring which I think works best in silver - certainly not in yellow bronze. The silver (or the solid bronze) highlights its character. A good shop as well!

You have every right to do what you want to do, of course. Roman Catholics of course recognize the validity of Orthodox sacraments. But a schismatic group that purports to be "Catholic" is another issue entirely--if not for you, then for Catholics.

The groups you criticize here are recognized and approved by the Vatican, unlike the "Sisters of Carmel," who are not. This matters to those who consider themselves Catholics in communion with Rome. You may regard certain groups as spewing nonsense, but that is not very charitable language. This is a vocation site that supports discernment with communities that have the approbation of the Church. The status of this group is not "murky" at all, in contrast with those you slur by claiming they teach "rubbish." Is it really up to you to decide what is acceptable Catholic praxis?

[Anastasia]

Nunsuch
Your interpretation significantly altered the meaning of what I wrote via using generalizations and thus attributing to me something I did not say. For example, my words

On 9/25/2020 at 12:04 PM, Anastasia said:

Sisters of Carmel do not teach anything heretical, quite contrary their books are solid Carmelite spirituality, without the New Age rubbish which is often present in communities which are in communion with Rome.

in your take were transformed in to

2 hours ago, Nunsuch said:

You may regard certain groups as spewing nonsense, but that is not very charitable language.

I.e. I wrote "New Age rubbish", not "communities are rubbish" - you somehow attribute to me an opinion that "certain groups are spurn nonsense" (I had to google the meaning of "spewing nonsense" and I found it to be "very uncharitable" indeed - but it is your words, not mine).  

2 hours ago, Nunsuch said:

Is it really up to you to decide what is acceptable Catholic praxis?

You again attribute to me something I have not ben trying to do and then ask a question base on that non-existent something. Did I tell you or the Roman Catholic Church what to do? No, I only stated the truth i.e. that 'Sisters of Carmel' appear to be free from the New Age spirituality and this why I - I, not anyone else buy from them. I consider a deviation from a proper Christian teaching and practices to be a poison to the Body of the Church. 

I understand how my phrase 

On 9/25/2020 at 12:04 PM, Anastasia said:

without the New Age rubbish which is often present in communities which are in communion with Rome.

may sound harsh or offensive to the Roman Catholic but I speak as an insider who receives communion during Mass with Roman Catholics and who feels an acute pain when she witnesses the seemingly endless attempts of "integration" of the New Age rubbish (yes, it is rubbish) and some practices of Zen etc. into the Catholic faith, swapping the rich Catholic mystical tradition with some practices which have nothing to do with true Christian mysticism (not Christ-centered), like "Christian meditation", "centering prayer" etc. So, while it is not my business to speak on a canonical status of groups inside Roman Catholic Church (the only thing I can say is that the life in the Church taught me that the status often changes and sometimes is unclear)  it is my business to speak of heresy and deviation if I see it because I belong to the Body of Christ. Hence, if I see that a group who is not communion with Rome has a solid teaching I will say it; and if I see that a group who is in communion with Rome is teaching heresy I will also say it. 

In fact, all Catholics are called to do that, see here
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19891015_meditazione-cristiana_en.html

http://w2.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/documents/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html

Edited September 26, 2020 by Anastasia

[PaxCordisJesu]

The Sisters of Carmel aren't in communion with the Church? The same sisters who make rosaries and are located in Colorado?

[adoro.te.devote]

I totally agree that new age stuff is rubbish and the Church is against it

Supporting communities in union with Rome is kind of an obedience thing for me... avoiding new age is a matter of correct doctrine which is of course important too

[Anastasia]

4 hours ago, PaxCordisJesu said:

The Sisters of Carmel aren't in communion with the Church?

This topic was discussed some yours ago on this forum:

 

 

2 hours ago, adoro.te.devote said:

Supporting communities in union with Rome is kind of an obedience thing for me...

I do understand your position.

[Sister Leticia]

On 9/24/2020 at 4:29 PM, Nunsuch said:

@Sister Leticia?

 

On 9/24/2020 at 12:48 PM, gloriana35 said:

I've seen advertisements for rings that have emblems of the Sacred Heart. (These must be relatively popular - the ads pop up on Facebook.) They are available online.  

I know various communities were dedicated to the Sacred Heart, but have no idea if they have such emblems on their profession rings.

Hello, I've just signed back in after a while, and see that Nunsuch tagged me in this thread. I've quickly read some of the responses, so this is a brief summary of the replies I'd have given if I'd been here for most of the discussion...

We wear plain silver rings, which don't cost a lot - but are precious to us. They can be inherited from a dead sister, or bought new. I know one sister whose ring was bought as a profession gift by the youth group she worked with at the time. I bought mine in a place which is very dear to me, where I spent some time before going to probation (our preparation for perpetual vows) so it holds a lot of people and their stories within it. 

Many of the religious orders here in the UK wear plain silver rings, too. I know a couple with "customised" gold rings, but these are quite a dull, old kind of gold. No bling for us!

As for these rings with the Sacred Heart... I know some of our schools in the US give special rings to their graduating students. Maybe some of them decide they don't want to hold on to these rings, and sell them? 

And I would add a word of warning/caution about some of these sites selling "religious jewellery". We recently discovered someone out there on Etsy selling old Sacred Heart profession crosses (which he describes as pectoral crosses) for several hundred dollars each. We're not sure how exactly he has come by them... but it is distressing to think that crosses given at perpetual vows and worn for decades by women living those vows in fidelity and love, should now be "jewellery", or some sort of display piece, to be bought and sold. There is only one price which should be paid for our rings and our crosses - and it isn't monetary.

[gloriana35]

Years ago, I remember, in one of Betty MacDonald's memoirs, that she wrote about how, during (I believe) the War, her family (not devout) had a silver cross that had been the profession cross of a relative who was an Anglican Sister. Her sister, Mary, was wearing it because she thought it looked smart with a dress.

I very much dislike anyone's wearing a profession cross as if it were jewellery. Perhaps I'll wear mine in my coffin, unless I know it will be treated with reverence in my memory.