Francis and Biden meeting

[KnightofChrist]

Hopefully, Biden is lying. But if he's not it's also unlikely Pope Francis asked Pelosi to repent. 

[dominicansoul]

Democrats never lie...

 

[chrysostom]

I don't see why we should assume he's lying.

[dominicansoul]

1 minute ago, chrysostom said:

I don't see why we should assume he's lying.

Because Catholics who support abortion shouldn't be receiving Holy Communion, and the Leader of the Catholic Church wouldn't say such a thing as "continue to receive Holy Communion" in the state of excommunication President Biden has placed himself into... 

[chrysostom]

1 minute ago, dominicansoul said:

the Leader of the Catholic Church wouldn't say such a thing

He shouldn't, but I'm not sure he wouldn't. I will hope the Vatican releases a statement contradicting Biden, but it will be a pleasant surprise to me if that happens.

[hakutaku]

2 minutes ago, dominicansoul said:

the Leader of the Catholic Church wouldn't say such a thing

The pope himself on the question:

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What should the pastor do? Be a shepherd, do not go around condemning... he must be a shepherd with God’s style. And God’s style is closeness, compassion, and tenderness,

But we know better than the pope, right folks?  Using legalistic rules to justify moral condemnations is what Catholicism is really about.

[KnightofChrist]

1 hour ago, hakutaku said:

The pope himself on the question:

But we know better than the pope, right folks?  Using legalistic rules to justify moral condemnations is what Catholicism is really about.

Popes should ask those guilty of perpetuating mass murder of innocence to repent. 

I'm not a fan of Pope Francis, but he has stated numerous times abortion is always murder. So I believe the likelihood of Biden being a liar is rather great. 

[dominicansoul]

Fraternal correction does not mean "you know more than the Pope."   What is "legalistic" about the obligation to receive the Most Precious Body and Blood of Christ with absolutely NO MORTAL SIN on your soul?  That's common sense, a belief that was given to us by St. Paul himself... St. Paul said you actually condemn yourself when you do such a thing.  This is what the Sacrament of Reconciliation is for, to get rid of our mortal sins so that we can approach the Blessed Sacrament.    

I would think a better example of being "legalistic" is what the Jews were guilty of when they condemned Christ for healing on the Sabbath.  They considered that "work."  That's a rather legalistic (and ridiculous) view of the 3rd Commandment.

[Ash Wednesday]

"We didn't discuss abortion, but he told me to keep taking Communion" just doesn't really add up, given the issue. But one guy doesn't speak English as his first language, and the other guy is a very seasoned politician. So...as far as what a conversation like that entailed... who knows.

[benedictaaugustine]

Honestly, given Biden’s verbal gaffes in the past year, him not understanding or like stating untruths because of (not sounding mean or political) his senility, was the first thought that came to my mind. Though, I wouldn’t put it past Pope Francis to say that to him. Even though that’s confusing because of Pope F’s statements on abortion recently. I also thought “maybe PF didn’t explicitly say that, and was trying to be kind and gentle in his wording, and Biden misinterpreted”? Idk. It’s gonna be a major blow to the upcoming USCCB conference though. 

 

[hakutaku]

1 hour ago, dominicansoul said:

Fraternal correction does not mean "you know more than the Pope."

You've publicly insinuated someone is lying because the pope's words didn't conform to your legalistic interpretation of religion.  There is no "correcting" here.

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But always condemnation, condemnation, enough with excommunication. Please let us not place any more excommunications. Poor people. They are children of God. They are outside temporarily, but they are children of God and they want, and need, our pastoral closeness.

--Pope Francis

[KnightofChrist]

22 minutes ago, hakutaku said:

You've publicly insinuated someone is lying because the pope's words didn't conform to your legalistic interpretation of religion.  There is no "correcting" here.

No one but you has said anything about condemning Biden. But rather correction and asking for his repentance. Do you affirm that Catholics should not be asked to repent or be corrected when they help commit mass murder? Do you affirm that the Pope believes Catholics should not repent or be corrected for mass murder?

Lastly, you don't know what Pope Francis actually said to Biden, do you? 

[KnightofChrist]

One reason I believe it's likely Biden is lying is that his statement is contradictory. 

Why would they discuss Biden continuing to receive communion if abortion wasn't? During a time of bishops making moves to protect the Blessed Sacrament from a unrepentant Biden. 

[hakutaku]

6 hours ago, KnightofChrist said:

No one but you has said anything about condemning Biden.

I was talking about your implicit condemnation of the pope's weak stance on Democratic politicians, not Biden:

12 hours ago, KnightofChrist said:

Hopefully, Biden is lying. But if he's not it's also unlikely Pope Francis asked Pelosi to repent. 

Condemnation was specific phrase the Pope used, so I went with it.

Edited October 30, 2021 by hakutaku

[little2add]

G20 meeting is why president Biden is visiting, he's not there to see the pope.  the one and only reason he's meeting with the pontiff is for the positive PR and the 

 Photo app 

if the meeting was genuine and sincere the abortion subject would not have been avoided,

 

President Biden arrived at Rome’s Fiumicino airport on Friday morning. Together with other Heads of States and representatives of important international organizations, Biden is scheduled to take part in the G20 Summit to be held on 30–31 October.

 

The US President will travel to Glasgow on Monday to attend COP26, the UN Climate Change Conference.

A number of key players, including China’s President Xi Jinping and Russia’s Vladimir Putin, have said they will not be attending either the G20 or Cop26, although they are expected to send delegations.

China and Russia is not even abstaining the summit, so ...

[KnightofChrist]

23 hours ago, hakutaku said:

I was talking about your implicit condemnation of the pope's weak stance on Democratic politicians, not Biden:

Condemnation was specific phrase the Pope used, so I went with it.

Reading more into what was actually said, thank you for being honest.

In the cherry picked quote you posted Francis also stated no more excommunications. But Pope Francis has excommunicated many individuals. 

[Winchester]

Only human beings should receive Communion. Politicians are not human beings.

[Didacus]

On 10/29/2021 at 3:06 PM, Ash Wednesday said:

"We didn't discuss abortion, but he told me to keep taking Communion" just doesn't really add up, given the issue. But one guy doesn't speak English as his first language, and the other guy is a very seasoned politician. So...as far as what a conversation like that entailed... who knows.

There is no context given on 'continue to tale communion'... can't really say much until (precise) context is given here.

Biden may not be lying so much as taking license here... taking a lot of license.

 

[Dennis Tate]

On 10/29/2021 at 1:54 PM, dominicansoul said:

Because Catholics who support abortion shouldn't be receiving Holy Communion, and the Leader of the Catholic Church wouldn't say such a thing as "continue to receive Holy Communion" in the state of excommunication President Biden has placed himself into... 

Excommunication of Biden is a good idea.... it is the best way to assist him to take a step toward genuine repentance.  

[Akalyte]

What bothers me is the fact that he is always big smiles around liberals. Specifically liberals.