Final Solution for 'AntiVaxxers'?

[KnightofChrist]

What will be done with the so-called  'antivaxxers'? What will be done with them when they are fired from their jobs, when they are banned from society?

How will they pay their mortgages, rent, and other necessities of life? 

When around 40% of the population is homeless and starving, what will be done with these people? How will they be housed, fed? How long will "just get vaccinated" justify efforts to force people to be vaccinated for COVID-19? How far will we take this?

 

Edited November 9, 2021 by KnightofChrist

[Peace]

35 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said:

What will be done with the so-called  'antivaxxers'?

Qu'ils mangent de la brioche !

[hakutaku]

2 hours ago, KnightofChrist said:

What will be done with them when they are fired from their jobs, when they are banned from society?

How will they pay their mortgages, rent, and other necessities of life? 

When around 40% of the population is homeless and starving, what will be done with these people?

The same thing we do with the homeless societal outcasts today!  Blame them for their predicament and refuse to bolster any social safety nets because "private charity is enough."  After all, if the government takes care of the poor, religious people won't be able to demonstrate their virtues by conspicuously ministering to the poor.

[hakutaku]

Also we can't give them any handouts because that will just make them lazy.

[KnightofChrist]

Mandating that unvaccinated persons be fired and banned from society will have real negative effects and result in a profound humanitarian crisis. It is a matter of logical progression. 

At what point do the attempts at coercion stop? Under what conditions would those persons who are pro-vax accept they'll never convince a large percentage of the population to submit?  Will non-compliance become criminal? What if that still fails to convince  80-100+ million people? Where will they be locked away? Does it become 'comply or die'? How far do we go down this road? 

The current stalemate will not continue forever. Something at some point will break it. Either the courts or upcoming elections will overturn the mandates or the mandates will be enforced as promised. I very much doubt many have given much thought to the negative effects of the latter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[hakutaku]

36 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said:

Does it become 'comply or die'?

Lol, no one has to mandate anything for it to be comply or die:

40 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said:

Mandating that unvaccinated persons be fired and banned from society will have real negative effects and result in a profound humanitarian crisis.

The federal government isn't forcing private companies to fire anyone.  Private companies are firing people because its their right to not employ dumb people.  Some cities and states are making actual mandates for their employees and a few groups where it matters most.

Remember when every state mandated kids needed a chicken pox vaccine in order to attend school and everything was fine?  The handful of parents who decided to pull their kids from school over it were loony to begin with.  This is the same thing. 

[Peace]

57 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said:

Mandating that unvaccinated persons be fired and banned from society will have real negative effects and result in a profound humanitarian crisis. It is a matter of logical progression. 

At what point do the attempts at coercion stop? Under what conditions would those persons who are pro-vax accept they'll never convince a large percentage of the population to submit?  Will non-compliance become criminal? What if that still fails to convince  80-100+ million people? Where will they be locked away? Does it become 'comply or die'? How far do we go down this road? 

The current stalemate will not continue forever. Something at some point will break it. Either the courts or upcoming elections will overturn the mandates or the mandates will be enforced as promised. I very much doubt many have given much thought to the negative effects of the latter.

This can only end in an all out civil war. Texas will not vaccinate and secede from the Union.

[KnightofChrist]

1 minute ago, hakutaku said:

Lol, no one has to mandate anything for it to be comply or die:

How many die when 80-130 million do not have food and shelter?  Again, you have thought of the negative effects of COVID, but not the enforcement of mandates. 

1 minute ago, hakutaku said:

The federal government isn't forcing private companies to fire anyone. 

 

The Federal Government will fine companies with 100 or more employees $14k per violation of the federal mandate. That will force companies to fire the noncompliant.

1 minute ago, hakutaku said:

Private companies are firing people because its their right to not employ dumb people.  Some cities and states are making actual mandates for their employees and a few groups where it matters most.

 

1 minute ago, hakutaku said:

Remember when every state mandated kids needed a chicken pox vaccine in order to attend school and everything was fine?  The handful of parents who decided to pull their kids from school over it were loony to begin with.  This is the same thing. 

School while very important is not as important as being able to provide food and shelter. 

The attempts to further dehumanize the unvaccinated will help ensure an humanitarian crisis. 

Are you incapable of thinking of the negative effects of mandates? What do you really think will happen if 80-100 million people suddenly lose their livelihoods? Will you just call them stupid as they suffer? 

[hakutaku]

7 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said:

Are you incapable of thinking of the negative effects of mandates? What do you really think will happen if 80-100 million people suddenly lose their livelihoods?

Why do you think all 80 million people impacted by the mandate will refuse the vaccine?  (They won't, as we've seen in places that implement a mandate, the vaccination rate jumps to ~95+%).

Are you incapable of thinking of the negative effects of refusing vaccines?  How many lives have already been lost due to foolish self-centered pride?

Oh no!  Now the selfish people are going to have their jobs taken away because of their selfishness!  

 

[KnightofChrist]

8 minutes ago, hakutaku said:

Why do you think all 80 million people impacted by the mandate will refuse the vaccine?  (They won't, as we've seen in places that implement a mandate, the vaccination rate jumps to ~95+%).

I don't believe it will lead to massive starvation and homelessness for 80-130 million people. COVID hasn't killed 25-40 percent of the US population. Again, any thoughts on the impact if you are wrong? What if tens or hundreds of millions still do not comply? Are you so locked into your ideological stand point you cannot think outside your bubble and answer that?

8 minutes ago, hakutaku said:

Are you incapable of thinking of the negative effects of refusing vaccines? 

 

Yes, I have, I do. I've suggested and suggest the vaccine to anyone willing to take it. They however must be willing and should not be forced against their will. Because those that refuse may increase their chances of sickness and death. But there are many voices against these people. This is an attempt to speak of the negative effects of mandates on them as people, persons, who we are commanded to love. 

8 minutes ago, hakutaku said:

How many lives have already been lost due to foolish self-centered pride?

Again, you rely heavily on dehumanizing others. You treat them as if they were the virus. Language which historical precedes calls to exterminate such viruses. 

8 minutes ago, hakutaku said:

Oh no!  Now the selfish people are going to have their jobs taken away because of their selfishness!  

When they lose their jobs you will mock them. Ok.

Will you do the same when they lose their homes? When the lose the ability to feed themselves? When they suffer and die?

I still hold that you love to question but not answer. You cannot defend a position, you can only attack. That is a weakness. 

 

8 minutes ago, hakutaku said:

 

When I was a kid I liked cartoons too. 

[Didacus]

If Covid is a valid excuse to remove people's livelihood and membership in society, what will be the next valid excuse?

On account of a common cold, a mild to moderate danger... a person's freedom is thrown out the window.  Very sad indeed.

If Covid was a legitimate threat, you wouldn't have to coherce people into taking the vaccine.

[hakutaku]

1 hour ago, Didacus said:

If Covid was a legitimate threat, you wouldn't have to coherce people into taking the vaccine.

People refused the smallpox vaccine too.  So smallpox vaccine mandates were issued.  We've now eradicated the entire disease and saved countless lives.

All because we forced the people who were playing for team smallpox to knock it off.

8 hours ago, KnightofChrist said:

Yes, I have, I do. I've suggested and suggest the vaccine to anyone willing to take it. They however must be willing and should not be forced against their will. Because those that refuse may increase their chances of sickness and death.

Again, you rely heavily on dehumanizing others. You treat them as if they were the virus.

You clearly don't.  They aren't the virus itself, but they are playing for team COVID.  Their refusal does not only hurt them, it hurts those they spread the disease to.  It hurts those who need the hospital bed they take up.  Their vaccine refusal imposes a cost to society and a boost to the disease.  That is why society is justified in turning around and imposing a cost on the people supporting a deadly disease.

8 hours ago, KnightofChrist said:

Again, any thoughts on the impact if you are wrong? What if tens or hundreds of millions still do not comply?

If people love COVID so much that they are willing to "lose their homes, ability to feed themselves, suffer and die" rather than fight it, there are a lot of things they can do.  They could simply move to a country without mandates.  I've heard Tanzania is promoting a ginger smoothie instead of the vaccine, I bet they'd love it there.

[KnightofChrist]

1 hour ago, hakutaku said:

People refused the smallpox vaccine too.  So smallpox vaccine mandates were issued.  We've now eradicated the entire disease and saved countless lives.

All because we forced the people who were playing for team smallpox to knock it off.

Again, doesn't answer what will be done with 25%-40% of the population if they are jobless and homeless.

1 hour ago, hakutaku said:

You clearly don't. 

How so? Based on what little you see of my life from a limited view of a internet forum.  I really do not care if you believe me or not. All I'm interested in is for those that support the mandates, what will be done if the mandates lead to economic and societal collapse. 

1 hour ago, hakutaku said:

They aren't the virus itself, but they are playing for team COVID.  Their refusal does not only hurt them, it hurts those they spread the disease to.  It hurts those who need the hospital bed they take up.  Their vaccine refusal imposes a cost to society and a boost to the disease.  That is why society is justified in turning around and imposing a cost on the people supporting a deadly disease.

Justified even if it leads to massive, unemployment, starvation and homelessness. Nice.

1 hour ago, hakutaku said:

If people love COVID so much that they are willing to "lose their homes, ability to feed themselves, suffer and die" rather than fight it, there are a lot of things they can do.  They could simply move to a country without mandates.  I've heard Tanzania is promoting a ginger smoothie instead of the vaccine, I bet they'd love it there.

So the closest thing you have to an answer to what will be done with 80-130 million people is mass-deportation.

This conversation is going nowhere. You don't really have answers, you got mockery and jokes. 

If anyone else wants to get actual answers, I'll respond further.

[hakutaku]

29 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said:

So the closest thing you have to an answer to what will be done with 80-130 million people

Wait a sec... I thought we agreed that most of them would comply because that is what has happened with all mandates so far:

11 hours ago, KnightofChrist said:

I don't believe it will lead to massive starvation and homelessness for 80-130 million people.

So I was giving options for the last few % who loved covid so much they would give up home and life for it.

29 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said:

I really do not care if you believe me or not. All I'm interested in is for those that support the mandates, what will be done if the mandates lead to economic and societal collapse.  Again, doesn't answer what will be done with 25%-40% of the population if they are jobless and homeless.

The most obvious answer is that collapse is a loony tunes scenario because not enough people love covid enough to give up their livelihood for it.  For those that do, there are options besides literally dying in the street (e.g. emigration, but also working for small businesses or businesses that do weekly testing).

Edited November 10, 2021 by hakutaku

[Peace]

31 minutes ago, KnightofChrist said:

This conversation is going nowhere. You don't really have answers, you got mockery and jokes.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Dennis Tate]

On 11/9/2021 at 6:58 PM, KnightofChrist said:

What will be done with the so-called  'antivaxxers'? What will be done with them when they are fired from their jobs, when they are banned from society?

How will they pay their mortgages, rent, and other necessities of life? 

When around 40% of the population is homeless and starving, what will be done with these people? How will they be housed, fed? How long will "just get vaccinated" justify efforts to force people to be vaccinated for COVID-19? How far will we take this?

 

That is an excellent question... I submitted my application to be excused from this vaccine for religious reasons.  

 

Here is how I filled out the forum that they gave me:

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"Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have received from God?  You are not your own." (I Corinthians 6:19)

To my thinking the usage of stem cells from aborted babies defiles most of these mRna vaccines making them unclean to me.

"Lest there be any fornicator or profane person like Esau, who for one morsel of food sold his birthright." (Hebrews 12:16).

My strong immune system is like my birthright and this vaccine gives people some protection to one virus but then weakens our immune response to all other viruses plus many types of cancer.

 

I also decided against this vaccine by the comments from near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava about it. 

Edited November 13, 2021 by Dennis Tate
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[hakutaku]

4 hours ago, Dennis Tate said:

I also decided against this vaccine by the comments from near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava about it. 

Interesting.  Was it because, according to Rabbi Alon Anava, the Roman Catholic Church is part of a global cabal that created COVID, and you don't want to fight something your friends on this forum worked so hard on?

For a quick summary of the 3 hour video, see:

https://www.israel365news.com/150283/in-end-days-templevessels-float-rome-israel-mystic-rabbi-says/

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“Up until today,” he [Rabbi Alon] commented, “people think that the Vatican is Christian. The Vatican is not Christian. The Vatican is Luciferian. It’s not worshipping Jesus. It’s worshipping Lucifer. Lucifer is the devil.”

Anava claimed that, under the influence of Luciferian worship, child sacrifice is conducted in the Vatican until today.

 

[Akalyte]

On 11/9/2021 at 5:58 PM, KnightofChrist said:

What will be done with the so-called  'antivaxxers'? What will be done with them when they are fired from their jobs, when they are banned from society?

How will they pay their mortgages, rent, and other necessities of life? 

When around 40% of the population is homeless and starving, what will be done with these people? How will they be housed, fed? How long will "just get vaccinated" justify efforts to force people to be vaccinated for COVID-19? How far will we take this?

 

"They" are fighting a losing battle. By "They" i mean these global elite "Social rulers" What they are doing to people is wrong. God sees everything. So do those who fight for good. 

Edited November 14, 2021 by Akalyte

[rachael]

The irony in the title of this thread is not to be missed.

[Dennis Tate]

9 hours ago, rachael said:

The irony in the title of this thread is not to be missed.

Indeed... the poster boy for DEPOPULATION... billionaire Bill Gates bases his theories on the logic behind the film An Inconvenient Truth..... but..... I personally have been promoting a very different approach to climate change since 2007 that fits nicely with Isaiah chapter thirty five....

 

New Mexico biologist and coach Carl Cantrell .....

 

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Global Warming II by Carl Cantrell

So how is our problem of continental drying causing global warming? It all has to do with vegetation and sunlight. When sun light hits a plant, it causes a process which we call photosynthesis where the energy from the sun light creates oxygen for us to breath, water for us to drink, and is stored as sugar for plants and animals to use. When the same sun light hits the soil, all of its energy turns into heat and is radiated back into the atmosphere, carried away by running surface water such as rain fall, is carried away to other areas by our winds, and diffuses down into the soil towards the earth's crust. All of this warms our planet increasing its average temperature.

Therefore, the less vegetation you have on the planet, the more sunlight is being turned into heat and the warmer the planet becomes. This is very critical because warmer and dryer winds dry out other land areas faster decreasing the vegetation on those land areas. Less humidity in the air also reflects less sun light back out into space so that more sun light strikes the earth and more heat is generated.

The truth is that you can do more to decrease global warming by just reducing the average temperature for the Sahara Desert by one or two degrees than if we humans completely quit using fossil fuels and returned to the cave.

So, how would you start working to resolve this problem? Easy, cool the deserts and get some vegetation growing on them as soon as possible. But the method is much more complex than that. You have to use the prevailing trade winds in relation to the deserts to get the best results as quickly as possible and it will be extremely expensive.

Then we build desalination plants along the coast near these water sheds and pipe water to the tops or ridges of the water sheds

This will do a number of things. First, it will increase the moisture in the desert soil so that it will develop water tables and water will begin to run in the streams. This water will increase the amount of vegetation in the area and decrease the amount of heat being generated by sun light cooling the watered area and all areas down wind of the watered area. As more available water evaporates, it will cool the air and reflect more sun light back out into space cooling the area even more. Cooler and more humid air will have less of a heating effect on areas down wind and will reflect more sun light back into space in those areas cooling areas we won't be watering yet. Cooler and more humid air will also have less of a warming effect on our seas and oceans.

Rain water running off of cooler soil will decrease the heating effect on our oceans and our planet crusts which will decrease catastrophic storm activities for other areas and seismic activity for the entire planet. Also, returning more ocean water to the surface and aquifers of our continents will lower the sea levels providing more usable land for us to farm and build on.

With cooler desert areas and increasing vegetation, less water will evaporate from our deserts increasing the amount of surface water even more and increasing the amount of vegetation and animal life by huge amounts because deserts currently take up more than 20% of our land surface. Populations will be able to spread out and there will be less competition for existing land areas.

This strategy has to be done in steps with the first step being to begin slowing the rate at which our global warming is increasing. We need to focus on that until we have brought it to a point to where the temperature is not increasing any more and is reasonably stable. While we are doing this, we need to come to a global consensus of just how cool we want to cool our planet down to. If we cool it down too much, we will begin to have devastatingly harsh winters in large populated areas and even cause an ice age to set in.

Then we begin cooling the planet down to a point which will be most beneficial for all countries or the planet as a whole. We need to gradually bring the temperature down because there may be a lag effect in which the planet will continue cooling after we stop increasing our efforts to cool it off more. We may even want to stop cooling the planet once or twice before we reach our targeted temperatures to see if there is a lag effect


We need to start working on this as soon as possible because, if the planet reaches a point to where it is warming faster than our technology can possibly stop or reverse this warming trend, then our planet is lost and all life will cease to exist on this planet within a relatively short period of time. We will need to start with the largest and hottest deserts because cooling them will have the greatest benefit in the least time. (Global Warming II by biologist Carl Cantrell).

 

On 11/13/2021 at 11:17 PM, Akalyte said:

"They" are fighting a losing battle. By "They" i mean these global elite "Social rulers" What they are doing to people is wrong. God sees everything. So do those who fight for good. 

You are absolutely correct.... billionaire Bill Gates did a video that got thirty one thousand likes so far but also eleven thousand unlikes...  Those eleven thousand UNLIKES on this video are a sign that people are beginning to wake up.....

Innovating to zero! | Bill Gates

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Feb 20, 2010