Gender Theory

[Luigi]

https://www.thefp.com/p/i-felt-bullied-mother-of-child-treated?fbclid=IwAR1YmJQQe6cuMVdBUnJD9ph7i3mkWh8XZZhxU2oISbAkeG5irPzoUQoOkIE

This is an in-depth interview, published in the Free Press, with the mother or a Transgender Clinic patient. She details the lack of protocols, the pressure she felt from the clinic's professionals, the staff's tendency to accede to the wishes of a minor child even when long-term consequences were involved.

I find it interesting that, when a youthful criminal is about to be sentenced, the argument is often made that "He's not fully mature yet - researchers say that the human (or at least, the male) brain isn't mature until age 25." And yet, if a sixteen-year-old says he wants to become a female, the medical staff start prescribing medications that have serious long-term consequences. Some of the hallmarks of immaturity are: the inability to think ahead; not anticipating the consequences of one's actions; acting impulsively (a consequence of the previous two). But if a teenager says s/he wants to switch genders, the adults accede immediately. Apparently, the professionals (adults) are no more mature than the confused kid. Unless, of course, the professionals know exactly what they're doing, and just don't care about anything but the money. 

[Didacus]

How many de-trans lawsuits from then-minors have been initiated at this time?

 

[Luigi]

11 hours ago, Didacus said:

How many de-trans lawsuits from then-minors have been initiated at this time?

 

I have no idea, and I think it would be tough to find figures because the mainstream media is going to be unwilling to publish anything they think is politically incorrect; admitting that transitioning minors was wrong would be tantamount to admitting that this politically correct movement is incorrect. 

But run the numbers with me: If the clinic in St. Louis did intake on 250 kids per year, and if the other 99 or so clinics in the country are approximately the same size (or average out the to same number of patients annually), that's 25,000 children per year who are transitioning. That's an awful lot of children! - about 100,000 nationally in the four years this whistle-blower was working in St. Louis. And I have every confidence that many of those children will live to regret their "decision" and the cooperation of their families and the medical community. 

[Luigi]

I didn't go looking for this video; I stumbled upon it. I sort of know who Jordan Peterson is - I've seen maybe half a dozen of his YouTube videos of 5 or 10 minutes each.

Here, Peterson is talking to Dr. Miriam Grossman, MD (psychiatry; sub-specialty child & adolescent psychiatry) about the medical case that - she claims - began the transgender movement within the medical field (in other words, she doesn't discuss transgenderism from a social perspective at all).

SUMMARY: A pair of twin boys, Bruce and Brian Reimer, were born in Canada in 1965. Medical conditions indicated they needed to be circumcised at 8 months of age. Things went horribly wrong for Bruce, who lost his penis in the process; Brian's circumcision was cancelled. The family found Dr. John Money (no honestly - that was his name!) at Johns Hopkins (see little2add's post above), who believed that gender identity was pure social construct; he had no proof, but here was the perfect opportunity for a living experiment - twin boys, but one would be raised as a girl. Bruce was castrated, plastic surgery was done to create some female anatomy, his name was changed to Brenda, and the family raised him as a girl. They (twins and parents) had annual meetings with Dr. Money. Money published "scientific articles" in "scientific journals" claiming that this was working like a charm. But it was all falsified. Brenda never adapted to being a girl; he reverted (I guess that's the right word) to being male (now called David) and went public with what had been done to him. He married, adopted three children, and committed suicide at age 38 in 2004. 

I've found information about Dr. Grossman online, and Dr. John Money, and there are interviews with David Reimer online (but I haven't found them yet) - I have found the Wikipedia article about him. I need some time to look up and read this information, verify it, and so forth. 

The upshot is that - at least within the medical profession - sex re-assignment surgery based on the assumption that gender identity is socially constructed originated with one experiment (not duplicated), which was a total failure, performed by one scientist (I use the term loosely), who seems to have been unethical, to say the least. I will say that this "experiment" happened before the days of Institutional Research Boards that are supposed to protect the rights and welfare of human research subjects. But that's the only defense I can think of for Dr. Money. 

Edited April 19, 2023 by Luigi

[Didacus]

I am familiar with both Petterson and the case you mentionned, which is nothing short of horrific.

homosexuality, trans, and these similar tendencies are both a function of genetics and social influence (this is the most plausible explanation I've found), akin to alcoholism.

We all have the potential to be alcoholics, but some of us have greater tendencies towards it than others.  Someone with a very heavy tendency towards alcoholism will never be an alcoholic if he or she is never exposed to alcohol.  On the other hand, even those with small inclinations may very likely become alcoholic if they are exposed to it constantly, have it endorsed as normal or even celebrated...

Social construct - in that context, sure there may be 'some' substance there.  But man and woman being the socially accepted norm is not a bad thing on the macro scale of things.  Should we pretend to change reality for the benefit of a few and putting at risk the whole?  And the 'benefit' is an illusion at best - should we all endorse and celebrate alcoholism to make the alcoholics feel better, or help them live with or resolve their condition?

[chrysostom]

Yes, there are individuals who truly believe that they are no longer male or female, or never were, in opposition to the testimony of their own bodies. With them, you must tread lightly and love, as you would also do with anyone afflicted by a mental disorder, for that is what it is. How you act depends on the situation, I think. If a man were to come up to me insisting he was the real Napoleon Bonaparte, I might call him that, but that would not necessarily be the most loving thing to do either. If he threatened suicide unless I did it, well, I might, but that's more along the lines of talking someone down from a cliff. That's pretty extreme behavior.

For other people to insist that I need to call him Napoleon Bonaparte, and if I didn't, that it amounted to hate, and contributed to his feeling bad, and perhaps to blame me calling him by his birth name Dave - I would call that emotional blackmail.

Some Catholics who argue for "affirming", say, a man who does not want to be addressed as his proper sex (as a rule) have argued in the following way, if I understand correctly:

1) yes, it's false; he is still a man;

2) he would feel unloved if you call him by his proper pronouns;

3) to love him, you ought to call him by female pronouns.

Premise 3) is wrong for two reasons. Firstly, there can be no obligation to affirm a falsehood. Secondly, it is not clear that calling him by female pronouns actually amounts to loving him. In just the same way, not actively celebrating your son's wedding with another man may make him feel unloved, even if you tell him you love him over and over again. But celebrating that would not be loving him.

The modern wave of the transgender political and cultural movement does talk about compassion. Unfortunately the movement itself is attracting poor souls, who are often troubled at home, and the movement itself, by denying that the idea one can "be" trans is a problem, is helping cause their pain to metastasize. The word "healthcare" in a trans-affirming context is a lie; it actually stands for "mutilation".

[little2add]

 

[tinytherese]

 

Research has shown that sex changes didn't make the problems of those with gender dysphoria go away. The roots of their issues need to be addressed. Serious health and psychological problems can result after these procedures. https://sexchangeregret.com/

The Church has spoken out against sex-changes. Over time, more resources and pastoral approaches will further develop. https://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/marriage-and-family/marriage/promotion-and-defense-of-marriage/upload/Gender-Ideology-Select-Teaching-Resources.pdf

[Deb]

I think that it is impossible for anyone who really does see the truth of God's creation and natural law to support or pretend that a person can really be in the wrong body. This is of course, of Satan and is definitely mental illness. I have never been prone to be one to sugar coat things and I won't here either.

Here is a thought that most people can grasp.  If you have a friend who is anorexic, which is a mental illness where a skinny person thinks they are fat and they starve themselves, and would starve themselves to death if no one intervened, would you support this person in their delusion? Would you accommodate them to make sure they were allowed to kill themselves through starvation? Would you hold that up as something of God? Would you be compassionate enough to try to get them some help? Would you be truthful?

No one, no matter how many drugs they take, how many body parts they mutilate, will ever be able to become the opposite sex. The sickness is in their mind and when you help them transfer that to their body, you are only assisting them in destroying the body that the Lord God graced them with. God does not make mistakes and He does not create people in this manner. To do this to a minor child is the ultimate crime. There is no gay gene. There is no, "I am in the wrong body" gene. These are all constructs of human beings and are a result of many factors, most of them due to psychological damage and physical abuse.  

The big trend to push this on society is coming from the LGBT activists, who are doing the work of Satan.  Don't be a party to it, but speak the truth. Truth may hurt, but cutting off your penis and digging a hole in your body for a fake vagina, which will never work, or cutting off your breasts and sterilizing yourself and which you will never find a partner who wants to be with someone they  know is very seriously damaged, mind, body and soul, will hurt much worse. The number of suicides after transitioning is higher than those among people who get professional help with this.  You can see how the government wants to ban psychological therapy, because they know it works.  When you work for Satan, you do not want any avenue there to save souls.   

[little2add]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12016583/Trans-athlete-Lia-Thomas-defends-beating-female-swimmers.html

Trans women are also our best female athletes, so they must be allowed to take spots, scholarships, and awards from biological women. 

Celebrating the next “glass ceiling” moment 

 

 

[Nunsuch]

I'm curious, @little2add. How many trans women have actually received athletic scholarships? 

[Luigi]

38 minutes ago, Nunsuch said:

I'm curious, @little2add. How many trans women have actually received athletic scholarships? 

You told us you were going to drop out of this thread...

[Nunsuch]

12 minutes ago, Luigi said:

You told us you were going to drop out of this thread...

Didn't realize you were a monitor.  So sue me. This group would be really funny, if it weren't so pathetically sad.... The combination of ignorance and self-righteousness is mind-blowing.

[little2add]

3 hours ago, Nunsuch said:

I'm curious, @little2add. How many trans women have actually received athletic scholarships? 

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/25-transgender-athletes-you-should-know/2/

 

 

 

 

[Luigi]

20 hours ago, Nunsuch said:

Didn't realize you were a monitor.  So sue me. This group would be really funny, if it weren't so pathetically sad.... The combination of ignorance and self-righteousness is mind-blowing.

The combination of education and self-righteousness, too. 

 

[tinytherese]

What's scary is how there's talk of CPS taking kids who identify as another gender away from parents if they don't support their sex change.

[Luigi]

My fourteen-year-old recently told me:

I see myself as a smoker. I've always known, in the inmost core of my being, that I'm a smoker. I fantasize about smoking. I visualize myself smoking. I was born a smoker. I'm not comfortable in my non-smoking body. 

I've always been attracted to people who smoke. I consider them "my people." I know they've been pushed to the margins of society - they have to stand outside in all kinds of weather to be who they really are because restaurants won't let them just be themselves in public spaces - but I don't care.   

I love the smell of tobacco smoke. I love all the paraphernalia of smoking - all styles of ashtrays (Facebook recognizes over 72 shapes), the smell of lighter fluid, the click of an engraved Zippo cigarette lighter opening, scraping into flame, and clanking shut - all done one-handed.  

I AM a smoker. I am going to BE a smoker. You need to help me make the transition to smoking. You need to accept me as a smoker. You need to let me smoke in the house, at school, in the non-smoking sections of restaurants & bars, on city buses, in church - smokers should have the same basic human  rights as everyone else!

And, being the loving father I am, completely focused on giving Little Junior anything he wants whenever he wants it, I took him straight to the tobacco clinic and got him outfitted. I am now the father of a smoker. And I'm proud of it!

Edited May 3, 2023 by Luigi

[little2add]

9 hours ago, Luigi said:

My fourteen-year-old recently told me:

I see myself as a smoker. I've always known, in the inmost core of my being, that I'm a smoker. I fantasize about smoking. I visualize myself smoking. I was born a smoker. I'm not comfortable in my non-smoking body. 

I've always been attracted to people who smoke. I consider them "my people." I know they've been pushed to the margins of society - they have to stand outside in all kinds of weather to be who they really are because restaurants won't let them just be themselves in public spaces - but I don't care.   

I love the smell of tobacco smoke. I love all the paraphernalia of smoking - all styles of ashtrays (Facebook recognizes over 72 shapes), the smell of lighter fluid, the click of an engraved Zippo cigarette lighter opening, scraping into flame, and clanking shut - all done one-handed.  

I AM a smoker. I am going to BE a smoker. You need to help me make the transition to smoking. You need to accept me as a smoker. You need to let me smoke in the house, at school, in the non-smoking sections of restaurants & bars, on city buses, in church - smokers should have the same basic human  rights as everyone else!

And, being the loving father I am, completely focused on giving Little Junior anything he wants whenever he wants it, I took him straight to the tobacco clinic and got him outfitted. I am now the father of a smoker. And I'm proud of it!

like

Im a closet smoker, maybe someday with your inspiration I will come out of the closet

[Luigi]

4 hours ago, little2add said:

Im a closet smoker, maybe someday with your inspiration I will come out of the closet

*smile*

[Credo in Deum]

Gender theory and gender identity ideology is all wacko junk.   The liberal sides only push ideologies that either lead to sterilization or an early death,  For the morbidly obese they push body positivity since staying fat will eventually lead to an early death while for mentally ill and those with sexual abuse trauma or both, they push body negativity in the form of transgenderism.   
 

These people are victims of psychological warfare.