1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted July 22, 2004 Posted July 22, 2004 (edited) I voted for Kerry before I voted against Kerry. Edited July 22, 2004 by 1337 k4th0l1x0r
WCC_Catholic Posted July 22, 2004 Posted July 22, 2004 [quote name='1337 k4th0l1x0r' date='Jul 22 2004, 03:00 PM'] I voted for Kerry before I voted against Kerry. [/quote] i love that one
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted July 22, 2004 Posted July 22, 2004 EDIT: I edited my above post to include links to Kerry's stance on each issue listed. (And from a reliable source, the US Senate.)
Iacobus Posted July 22, 2004 Posted July 22, 2004 [quote name='Paladin D' date='Jul 22 2004, 02:10 PM'] Oh please... at least Bush isn't a hypocrite or a [b]"flip-flop"[/b] politican. [/quote] I would really beg to differ.
shelly_freak Posted July 22, 2004 Posted July 22, 2004 [quote]zwergel88 and shelly_freak, Are y'all Catholic? If so, you shouldn't vote for Kerry unless you're willing to put yourself in a serious state of sin for supporting abortion.[/quote] This is not a black and white issue, you cant tell me that if I vote for a certain person I'm sinning, cause none of you have the right to say that to me. I was simply stating who I'm voting for cause that's what the thread asks.
flip Posted July 22, 2004 Author Posted July 22, 2004 [quote name='shelly_freak' date='Jul 22 2004, 04:14 PM'] This is not a black and white issue, you cant tell me that if I vote for a certain person I'm sinning, cause none of you have the right to say that to me. I was simply stating who I'm voting for cause that's what the thread asks. [/quote] actually, two bishops in America stated that voting for a pro-choice candidate is a grave sin... however, Cardinal Ratzinger recently released a letter stating that it is ok to vote for a pro-choice candidate if you are voting for other reasons besides abortion. in other words, you can vote karey if you are voting for other reasons besides abortion... in my mind, i feel personally convicted to vote for anyone who supports abortion. i dont care how "bad" the other candidate might be. killing babies = no vote from me.
MC Just Posted July 22, 2004 Posted July 22, 2004 If kerry becomes President, say bye bye to all our pro-life efforts.
Iacobus Posted July 22, 2004 Posted July 22, 2004 If Bush becomes pres say 1. Bye to the GOP. 2. Bye to American Idealism.
BurkeFan Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 I honestly think that if you pick a pro-abort candidate for some other reason, such as John Kerry's hair, even though you don't support the "yay abortion" position they take, that you give an unspoken fiat to that position. They see each vote for them as a vote for the entire platform, including abortion, I think. I'm going for Bush, all the way.
BurkeFan Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 [quote name='Iacobus' date='Jul 22 2004, 06:22 PM'] If Bush becomes pres say 1. Bye to the GOP. 2. Bye to American Idealism. [/quote] If Kerry becomes president, say 1. Bye to the world
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 [quote]Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia... There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, [b]but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia[/b]... -Cardinal Ratzinger [url="http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/7/6/152916.shtml"]http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2.../6/152916.shtml[/url][/quote]
dUSt Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 [quote name='shelly_freak' date='Jul 22 2004, 04:14 PM'] This is not a black and white issue, you cant tell me that if I vote for a certain person I'm sinning, cause none of you have the right to say that to me. I was simply stating who I'm voting for cause that's what the thread asks. [/quote] As far as being Catholic goes, it [b]is[/b] a black and white issue. Our Holy Father John Paul II: “abortion and euthanasia are crimes which no human law can claim to legitimize. There is no obligation in conscience to obey such laws; instead there is a [b]grave and clear obligation to oppose them by conscientious objection.[/b] In the case of an intrinsically unjust law, such as a law permitting abortion or euthanasia, it is [b]therefore never licit to obey it, or to ‘take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or vote for it.[/b]’" (The Gospel of Life, no. 73) You're right when you say that [b]I[/b] don't have the right to say you're sinning, but as the Vicar of Christ, the pope does. By voting for a pro-abortion candidate when there is a pro-life candidate as an alternative, you're rejecting the Church, and in turn, rejecting Christ. God bless.
Luthien Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 I dont like Bush, but I hate Kerry. Ill pick the lesser of both evils. War is different from abortion; a grown man can defend himself, a baby is defenseless.
Aloysius Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 Kerry is militantly pro-abortion (in action and policy but "not personally" ) Kerry has and would increase federal funding of pro-abortion policies. Bush has and would work to stop federal funding of pro-abortion policies. Choosing between those two is a no-brainer.
lifeteenchick527 Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 iam voted for bush on the thing...but iam 15 so i cant vote...lol...but ya..i dont like kerry...he is sucha hipocrate...and thinks hes catholic...when he is like prochoice and stuff...well ya..anywase
littleflower+JMJ Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 [quote name='Iacobus' date='Jul 22 2004, 06:22 PM'] If Bush becomes pres say 1. Bye to the GOP. 2. Bye to American Idealism. [/quote] is that all? who cares? thats ntohing compared to baby lives being killed! lets look at what kerry has to offer then..... making our society same-sex marriage destroying the sancity of marriage, abortion rapid not only here inthe US but spread to other nations as well, and who knows what else he could/would approve when in office!! he rejects the Truth that is from the CHurch what else is he giong turn his back on? its our duty to take him down! sorry but kerry is just going to take this country down..... if he gets elected he already is endorsed by all the abortion peeps! i already have my Bush bumper sticker on! and im ready.
MaxKolbe Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 I just miss the voting deadline too. I will not be18 until early December. But if I did vote it would be a peace of cake. Look at what he has done to the Catholic church... It is people like him who make others either second guess the faith, want nothing to do with the faith, or convince other catholics that what he believes is ok... and worse of all... it doesn't seem to phase him one bit. Can he honestly sit there and say he is Catholic? MaxKolbe p.s. I am finally responding to a post Zach and Jason.
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