I Don't Understand This

[daugher-of-Mary]

[quote]He lied to start a war, has killed more people as governer of texas then any other governer in its history, and ha successfully widen the gap between rich and poor causeing millions to die from poverty. And these are just a few, I could give you a very long detailed list about all the evil things that man has done[/quote]

The things you mentioned are definitely disputable, but regardless, a Catholic CAN'T vote for Kerry. Abortion is intrinsically evil, and Kerry supports it.

[Sentientbaka]

Okay regardless, Bush started the war in iraq, right? Is not one of gods commandents thou shall not kill? is not murder a mortal sin?

When did Jesus ever kill someone in self-defense?

[Guest JeffCR07]

while I tend to be conservative, I am not a staunch republican. However, I have to comment Sentientbaka,

[quote]causeing millions to die from poverty[/quote]

I'd like to see the statistics where you've found that [i]millions[/i] die of poverty as a result of Bush.

as d-o-m stated, much of what you have said can't be proved. I do not think that Bush is a saint, he may not even be a good president, or, for the sake of argument, a good person. But he is [i]not[/i] pro-choice. Kerry is. It is that simple, there is nothing of scholarly credibility that exists in this bush-kerry choice that can offset Kerry's position on abortion. I'm not saying that you "must" vote for Bush, I'm just saying that, as things exist right now, you [i]must[/i] not vote for Kerry.

- Your Brother In Christ, Jeff

[Sentientbaka]

Lol, okay in light of the Domestic Cutbacks bush caused (Domestic meaning wellfare, food stamps, disability) to pay for said war (do we think the war in Iraq was/is good, I don't belive the pope said that) though causing deaths from poverty (like being unable to pay for heat, medical expenses) all of which can be apparently disputed, okay I'll give you that (or not argue about it anyway)

So let me bring up this thought, which is the greater evil?

Legal 1-3 trisemester Abortion or Or people starving in 3rd countrys?

P.S. I really dont like Geoge Bush at all if you can't tell :3

Edited August 2, 2004 by Sentientbaka

[Guest JeffCR07]

both are evil, but which is being [i]directly[/i] supported by either of the candidates?

[1337 k4th0l1x0r]

If Kerry gets elected, he will send more money to third world countries, but for 'family planning' *cough* abortion *cough* purposes. Yes, he has said he will do this.

[Sentientbaka]

how bout instead of people starving in other countrys what about people starving in ours.

Lets define Directly real quick, are we directly linked to something specifically by words or is it also by our actions?

BTW I am not an abortion advocate in any way

So Kerry [i]DIRECTLY[/i] supports Aborotion

if our actions define a direct link

Then George Bush [i]DIRECTLY[/i] supports war as well as poverty

who is the greater evil?

Edited August 2, 2004 by Sentientbaka

[jasJis]

[quote name='Sentientbaka' date='Aug 2 2004, 03:26 PM'] Okay people Bush isn't a perfect either

He lied to start a war, has killed more people as governer of texas then any other governer in its history, and ha successfully widen the gap between rich and poor causeing millions to die from poverty. And these are just a few, I could give you a very long detailed list about all the evil things that man has done

I think Kerry is the lesser of the to evils [/quote]
Do the math. You are wrong that Bush is the lessor of two evils.

Per Planned Parenthood's own website, they say 850,000 abortions are done each year in the US. Consider 5 days a week, 8 hours a day, 50 weeks a year (even abortion clinics have vacation), that's 425 abortions per working hour, or 7 abortions every second you are working during a 40 hour work week.

How does that compare with the few thousand killed during the Iraq war? Then consider how many of the Iraqis were combatants, the mass murders that Saddam's regieme commited, etc. Less innocents are dying now in Iraq than before the war. Our soldiers are dying so others may attempt to live in freedom. It's the obligation of the strong to suffer for the weak. The US is morally obliged to be at war in Iraq. We should also be in the Sudan now, but weak anti-war people won't do the math. Better that 1,000 US soldiers die to bring food and freedom to the tens of thousands people in the Sudan.

[Guest JeffCR07]

Moreover, the argument that Bush "directly" supports poverty is more than a little questionable, especially considering the fact that he (and about 50% of the nation along with him) thinks that his actions will, on the whole, alleviate the impoverished.

Take that alongside the actual statistics that jasjis provided and it seems pretty darn straightforward that voting for Kerry is voting yourself into a state of mortal sin.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='JeffCR07' date='Aug 2 2004, 08:42 AM'] lol, yea I feel bad, but I don't recognise that name. [/quote]
good golly, I feel old...

[Guest JeffCR07]

hahaha, and I feel stupid. We're quite the pair

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Sentientbaka' date='Aug 2 2004, 05:58 PM'] how bout instead of people starving in other countrys what about people starving in ours.

Lets define Directly real quick, are we directly linked to something specifically by words or is it also by our actions?

BTW I am not an abortion advocate in any way

So Kerry [i]DIRECTLY[/i] supports Aborotion

if our actions define a direct link

Then George Bush [i]DIRECTLY[/i] supports war as well as poverty

who is the greater evil? [/quote]
President Bush supports a just war, and does not support poverty.

Mr Kerry supports killing children.



There is no question who supports the greatest evil.

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='Sentientbaka' date='Aug 2 2004, 03:58 PM'] So Kerry [i]DIRECTLY[/i] supports Aborotion

if our actions define a direct link

Then George Bush [i]DIRECTLY[/i] supports war as well as poverty

who is the greater evil? [/quote]
the greater evil is that which has the most direct impact on innocent, human life. even when we consider Bush's acceptance of capital punishment, Kerry's is STILL the greater evil.

concerning war, it is not absolutely certain that the innocent will die. when war is carried out w/ precision and for the right reasons, the innocent do not die. not even capital punishment is an absolute death sentence (as in, always and every time) for death sentences are overturned if new proof is found. plus, death sentences are meant for the guilty, not the innocent.

[b]--however, without exception, every abortion is the death of an innocent life.[/b]

thus, abortion has the most direct impact on innocent human life and as such is the greater evil.

pax christi,
phatcatholic

Edited August 3, 2004 by phatcatholic