John Kerry In Vietnam

[ironmonk]

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John Kerry's service in Vietnam lasted 4 months and 12 days, beginning in November 1968 when he reported to Cam Ranh Bay for a month of training. His abbreviated combat tour ended shortly after he requested a transfer out of Vietnam on March 17, 1969, citing Navy instruction 1300.39 permitting personnel with three Purple Hearts to request reassignment. So far as we are able to determine, Kerry was the only Swift sailor ever to leave Vietnam without completing the standard one-year tour of duty, other than those who were seriously wounded or killed.

It is clear that at least one of Kerry's Purple Heart awards was the result of his own negligence, not enemy fire, and that Kerry went to unusual lengths to obtain the award after being turned down by his own commanding officer.

John Kerry has long insisted that using the three-injury loophole to leave combat early was his own idea, but Kerry's fellow Swift officer Thomas Wright, who served on occasion as the OIC (Officer in Charge) of Kerry's boat group, contradicts that claim - [url="http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=3539"]http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=3539[/url] . Wright reports that he "had a lot of trouble getting Kerry to follow orders," and that those who worked with Kerry found him "oriented towards his personal, rather than unit goals and objectives." He therefore requested that Kerry be removed from his boat group. After John Kerry qualified for his third Purple Heart, Thomas Wright and two fellow officers informed him of the obscure regulation, and told him to go home. Wright concluded, "We knew how the system worked and we didn’t want him in Coastal Division 11."

Constructing a complete picture of Kerry's service is difficult due to gaps in the Naval records - [url="http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html"]http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html[/url] - provided by the Kerry campaign. These gaps include missing and incomplete fitness reports, missing medical records and missing records related to his medal awards.

For this reason we call upon Senator Kerry to authorize complete access to all his military records by filing a standard Form 180 - [url="http://www.swiftvets.com/staticpages/index.php?page=Form180"]http://www.swiftvets.com/staticpages/index.php?page=Form180[/url] , a simple two-page release form.

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is in the process of researching John Kerry's time in Vietnam by conducting interviews with eyewitnesses to his activities, and we plan to add material to this section over the next several weeks as it becomes available. We will report the true circumstances of Kerry's medal awards and injuries, describe other controversial missions, and provide in-depth analysis of his fitness reports.


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[b]Kerry's Medals[/b]

1st Purple Heart: December 2, 1968 - [url="http://www.swiftvets.com/staticpages/index.php?page=Purple1"]http://www.swiftvets.com/staticpages/index.php?page=Purple1[/url]

2nd Purple Heart: February 20, 1969

Silver Star: February 28, 1969

Bronze Star / 3rd Purple Heart: March 13, 1969


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[b]Other Missions[/b]

Sampan Incident: January 20, 1969.

[Lil Red]

i love how only 2 out of 11 that served with him (directly) on the boat support his candidacy.

[Cat Germ]

I heard that several of them asked that he take their names and pictures off of his comercials...

[theculturewarrior]

He served longer than I have, in a horrible war, and was wounded. I'm not voting for him, of course, but I don't see how the brevity of his service makes any difference. He is still a vet.

[theculturewarrior]

What I'm saying is, there's better reasons not to vote for him.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Aug 4 2004, 06:29 PM'] He served longer than I have, in a horrible war, and was wounded. I'm not voting for him, of course, but I don't see how the brevity of his service makes any difference. He is still a vet. [/quote]
The wounds did not require any medical attention. Two of them were self inflicted.

He participated in burning down innocent people's homes, and killing their livestock... and claimed that he didn't know it was wrong - I just want to say "But John, didn't you go to Yale?"

Surf the site... the reason why this alone is enough to not vote for him is because it is another thing that shows what a liar he is.


God Bless,
ironmonk

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Cat Germ' date='Aug 4 2004, 06:23 PM'] I heard that several of them asked that he take their names and pictures off of his comercials... [/quote]
They are actually sueing him.


All the footage about him in Nam at the DNC, was all faked and reinacted.


I think he's the devil.


God Bless,
ironmonk

[theculturewarrior]

War is ugly. There were plenty of people burning down innocent people's homes and killing their livestock in the Vietnam War, not just John Kerry. In wars people kill. This is a non-issue, unless you propose that veterans are unfit for public office.

His 100% pro-abort voting record is the issue I'm concerned with.

[crusader1234]

i'd like to point out that unlike most of you, he actually served in the army. if i was in a war i thought was stupid, id shoot myself in the foot and go home.

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

Kerry's a snake, and that's all there is to it.

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

[quote name='crusader1234' date='Aug 4 2004, 06:38 PM'] i'd like to point out that unlike most of you, he actually served in the army. if i was in a war i thought was stupid, id shoot myself in the foot and go home. [/quote]
That wouldn't guarantee that you'd go home, in fact, you could get in trouble for that. The fact of the matter is that Kerry is trying to claim that he's this fantastic hero, and trying to get sympathy vote, when he himself was the cause of his being sent home, and not a good thing. Sounds like he was subordiante, and I, for one, don't want someone in authority who doesn't like to respect authority.

[theculturewarrior]

from the CCC.


[quote]2477
Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury.278 He becomes guilty:


of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor;


of detraction who, without objectively valid reason, discloses another's faults and failings to persons who did not know them;279


of calumny who, by remarks contrary to the truth, harms the reputation of others and gives occasion for false judgments concerning them.
[/quote]

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='Cat Germ' date='Aug 4 2004, 04:23 PM'] I heard that several of them asked that he take their names and pictures off of his comercials... [/quote]
his getting hit hard down here where im from!!!

he used like a dozen of HISPANIC war soldiers pictures for one of his Campaign ads and they are angry!! and really outraged....


no one notified them to ask permission, most of them dont support him and the pictures are disrespectful to use since mostly are all deceased already....their famlies are upset....

he was using them to get hispanics to vote for him ......SORRY! no way jose!

[DancesforLove]

lol thats bad they won't even vote for him.
It should show you something about his character to be using the fact he BARELY served to get him in office, and that he is "catholic". hes using anything he can get to get elected

[Aloysius]

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[ironmonk]

[quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Aug 4 2004, 06:37 PM'] War is ugly. There were plenty of people burning down innocent people's homes and killing their livestock in the Vietnam War, not just John Kerry. In wars people kill. This is a non-issue, unless you propose that veterans are unfit for public office.

His 100% pro-abort voting record is the issue I'm concerned with. [/quote]
I know that.

But don't you get it?

little john is attacking those that did... things he claimed that were happening, he never saw.

Believe it or not, personal life, integrity, honor, ALL matter in a presidential election. If a man can't be honest or keep his own house in order, he has no buisness trying to run a country.


-ironmonk

[Phazzan]

[quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Aug 4 2004, 04:48 PM'] from the CCC.

2477
Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury.278 He becomes guilty:


of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor;


of detraction who, without objectively valid reason, discloses another's faults and failings to persons who did not know them;279


of calumny who, by remarks contrary to the truth, harms the reputation of others and gives occasion for false judgments concerning them.
[/quote]
I agree, but it's clear Kerry is pushing for this 'War Hero' tag as his master status, and he will use and abuse this tag to win support in the election. I don't find it necessary to attack him directly, but considering the facts regarding his service in Vietnam, people will make judgements about his character, and are entitled to. In any case, he is a Vietnam veteran, and that shouldn't be taken away from him. How he uses it and how people judge him by it is up to him though.

[theculturewarrior]

[quote]I know that.

But don't you get it?

little john is attacking those that did... things he claimed that were happening, he never saw.

Believe it or not, personal life, integrity, honor, ALL matter in a presidential election. If a man can't be honest or keep his own house in order, he has no buisness trying to run a country.


-ironmonk
[/quote]

Hmmmm. A shady politician? Go figure. Am I going to vote for Pres. Bush? Probably. Am I going to do it because I think he's an all around great guy? No, I've never met him, and furthermore, unlike God, I can't see into people's hearts. Am I going to vote against Kerry because I think he's a slimeball? I operate on the assumption that all politicians are slimeballs. Why would I be shocked to find out Kerry's one?

[Norseman82]

[quote name='crusader1234' date='Aug 4 2004, 04:38 PM'] i'd like to point out that unlike most of you,in the army. [/quote]
Navy.

[Ash Wednesday]

What bugs me about Kerry's Vietnam schtick is how he protested the war, calling it the "biggest nothing in history," proceeded to throw others' war medals in the trash during a protest, [b]except[/b] his own because "he didn't happen to have them with him that day" yet years later is more than happy to tout his service in Vietnam like a polished trophy on his mantle.

[b]THAT[/b] hypocrisy and lack of integrity is what bothers me. He's a veteran, but he's also a typical politican. A lot of his fellow vets see right through his "makeover" and will not be voting for him.