Contraception

[Lounge Daddy]

why do i sometimes feel like im the thread killer?

[annie]

Does the Church require a sterilization reversal upon confession of contraception?

[cmotherofpirl]

no. Confession and repentance is enough.

[dspen2005]

where are the peeps who said that it was ok???? where are your responses?

[avemaria40]

[quote name='Jedi_StClaire' date='Oct 16 2005, 10:51 PM']We need another woman like Susan  B. Anthony.  If she were alive today, I'd hope she'd be a prolife feminist and that's who I'd nominate for the Supreme Court.
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Susan B. Anthony did say that abortion is murder and that treating children as though they were property is degrading to womanhood. the early femiists were mostly prolife and Christian, and fought for their rights to help raise their families, and they recognized abortion and birth control as excuses for men to act on their lusts without any future commitment, since he wouldn't have to marry the woman since there would be no baby.

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' date='Oct 22 2005, 02:37 AM'][img]http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/parodies/the_clinton_legacy.jpg[/img]
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I like.

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

Actually, a woman can take the pill and not sin. However, in order for her to not sin, she and her husband must abstain until all effects of the pill are passed.

Just thought I'd throw that in the ring.

[Jabberwocky]

I am quite convinced that contraception and birth control and whatever else you want to call it is wrong. However the other week in CCD (religious education or whatever you want to call it) the deacon who teaches our sexuality class said something that weirded me out a bit:
He was asked why contraceptives are bad, and he responded with something like, "[i]Certain[/i] methods of birth control are wrong, such as those that kill the child after fertilization. Those types are like abortion. Other types prevent fertilization"

He also asked what the purpose of sex was, and my best friend said, "To create children."
He said, "That is an old belief. But actually sex has two purposes; it also strengthens the bond between spouses."

These comments were just worded kind of weird, you know? Plus this class mostly spoon-feeds us statistics about teen parents and birth control unreliability and STDs.

[Aloysius]

He may be errenously labeling Natural Family Planning as 'birth control', but if he is referring to anything else he is wrong.

Sex can be said to have two purposes. I actually have a really old moral theology book in Latin that says there are two purposes (unless I'm misreading the Latin, , I'm certainly no expert). Those two purposes are unified though. The unitive purpose is in itself worthless if it is not allowing for the fleshified expression of that union-- a child. So bringing the couple together as one flesh is a purpose, but it must be the essential part of that primary purpose that fleshifies that expression and participates in the awesome creative power of Almighty God.

[photosynthesis]

[quote name='Sojourner' date='Sep 13 2005, 09:19 AM']That's SO bad.

I've not thought about Iran Contra in a looooong time.
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wow...i just reread this thread. that WAS a bad, bad pun. Bad Claire!

in my classes they talk about the role of the media in Iran Contra a lot.

[PadreSantiago]

[quote]now, the morning-after pill is obviously dead plain abortion. but even hormonal pills AND patches are abortificient, i.e. able to cause abortion.[/quote]

Ok just to inform people out there. The morning after pill DOES NOT ALLOW THE EGG TO EVER LEAVE THE OVARIES. IT IS NOT ABORTION IF NOTHING IS ALIVE TO KILL. The egg is never fertalized. To make things simple this would be like planting a seed and then just never feeding or watering it. Can something die if it never lived? Explain how that's abortion please.

[quote]Actually, a woman can take the pill and not sin. However, in order for her to not sin, she and her husband must abstain until all effects of the pill are passed.[/quote]

This makes no sense why even take the pill in the first place?

[quote]conctraception is anything that prevents a woman getting pregnent. this includes all the stuff that prevents semen from entering, and all the ways they have the egg not grow once its fertilized, or rather all the ways the egg is prevented frm being fertilized. and to an extent, abortion. basically anything that allows the two to have sex without worrying about having a kid from it.
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So I shouldn't wear condoms? What is wrong with wanting to strengthen the bonds between me and my signficant other everyday if I have to worry about getting her preggers.

[Guest Not Chris Zewe]

[quote name='God Conquers' date='Oct 16 2005, 12:34 PM']I'd throw in "not surpising".

The early feminists were about dignity of woman and family life. They wanted to be able to vote so that they could influence decisions in their countries which had repercussions on their families.

They knew full well (being virtuous and intelligent women) that things like birth control and abortion would destroy both women AND family.
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Yes, because having a kid you don't want or can't afford by accident is like [b]totally[/b] an excellent way to improve family life.

[quote]So I shouldn't wear condoms? What is wrong with wanting to strengthen the bonds between me and my signficant other everyday if I have to worry about getting her preggers.[/quote]

The Bible tells you not to. Duh.


The rest of you kiddies...mreh.

[StatingTheObvious]

[quote name='PadreSantiago' date='Nov 11 2005, 08:23 AM']Ok just to inform people out there.  The morning after pill DOES NOT ALLOW THE EGG TO EVER LEAVE THE OVARIES.  IT IS NOT ABORTION IF NOTHING IS ALIVE TO KILL.  The egg is never fertalized.  To make things simple this would be like planting a seed and then just never feeding or watering it.  Can something  die if it never lived?  Explain how that's abortion please.[/quote]it's the everyday pill that prevents fertilization (yes, that's the correct spelling). the Morning After pill is for the morning after sex. since the egg is fertilized within minutes (not days), it is an abortion. were you sleeping during the birds and bees bit of biology class?
[quote]This makes no sense why even take the pill in the first place? [/quote] for medical reasons to regulate a woman's hormones.
[quote]So I shouldn't wear condoms?  What is wrong with wanting to strengthen the bonds between me and my signficant other everyday if I have to worry about getting her preggers.
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[/quote]what's so strengthening if your significant is just your friction device. since you call her a significant, she must not be your wife so it's obvious you aren't interested in strong bonds in the first place.

[StatingTheObvious]

[quote name='Not Chris Zewe' date='Nov 11 2005, 09:37 AM']Yes, because having a kid you don't want or can't afford by accident is like [b]totally[/b] an excellent way to improve family life.[/quote]all kinds of accidents happen. deal with it. maybe i shouldn't ride in cars because i never want my wife to have to deal with a car accident. but i don't want to walk so i accept the risks.
[quote]The Bible tells you not to.  Duh.
The rest of you kiddies...mreh.
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[/quote]what does mreh mean?

[PadreSantiago]

ok I made the important parts in bold just to make it easy. And also what are you peoples thoughts on rape victims. Should they also not use the morning after pill because that would be a sin?

"There are two types of morning after pill available. One morning after pill uses the hormones estrogen and progestin - the same hormones used in standard birth control. The other morning after pill uses progestin only. [b]The morning after pill acts to delay ovulation, prevents fertilization, or inhibits implantation by altering the endometrium. It is not effective if a woman is pregnant and cannot terminate an established pregnancy. [/b]The morning after pill is most effective during the first 24 hours after having unprotected sex, but can be effective for up to 72 hours."

So lets review children The hormones in the morning after pill may stop an egg from being released. Or they may stop a fertilised egg from implanting itself in the womb. You heard it here first the morning after pill CANNOT terminate an established pregnancy


also StatingTheObvious I wear a condom for safety reasons because I believe in sex before marriage.

[avemaria40]

It still terminates a human life if the zygote is not permitted to implant in the womb. Also, it seems something wrong with society if we have to protect ourselves from our partners. That's why I believe sex is for marriage

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='PadreSantiago' date='Nov 11 2005, 02:05 PM']or inhibits implantation by altering the endometrium.
also StatingTheObvious I wear a condom for safety reasons because I believe in sex before marriage.
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inhibiting implantation means you are [u][b]PREGNANT[/b],[/u] and you will lose the baby because it cannot implant in the womb.

Sex before marriage means you don't have the guts to make a committment to a lifelong relationship before you reap the benefits.

[i]Women are not made for test rides.[/i]

[Ken]

I have always been okay with birth control. I myself dont have sex, and am not really planning on it till I find someone special, but then again, not everybody acts or thinks like I do. Hormones are hormones, and people are going to seek pleasurable company no matter what. Who knows, with the way our population continues to explode, we may start needing it someday.

[onathing1]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Nov 11 2005, 05:47 PM']Sex before marriage means you don't have the guts to make a committment to a lifelong relationship before you reap the benefits.

[i]Women are not made for test rides.[/i]
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Thank you! I agree with you 100%!!!



I think that contraceptions is a sin, and no exceptions...people talk about over-population, well there are more abortions done then their are births in one day...not including those using contraception.

[Ken]

Considering the amount of people who die everyday due to starvation and disease, that seems to be a pretty odd statistic.