ironmonk Posted August 9, 2004 Posted August 9, 2004 [url="http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/af/content/papal_cab"]http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/af/content/papal_cab[/url] Thoughts? God Bless, ironmonk
Fides_et_Ratio Posted August 9, 2004 Posted August 9, 2004 I thought it was funny. I guess it depends on how seriously you take it. I looked at it like a joke. The only thing that bothered me was the simony, really. And that they didn't really go through the Sacrament using the proper formula. Other than that, it was amusing.
MorphRC Posted August 9, 2004 Posted August 9, 2004 Meh. Its only independent, not like its gonna win an oscar. Nothing to worry about.
Crusader_4 Posted August 9, 2004 Posted August 9, 2004 I actually thought it wasnt that bad and was in a sense showed the healing power of the sacrament. It wasnt meant to be offensive or knock Catholismc i dont think and watching it and i think it gave a fairly accurate view of the healing that can occur in the sacrament.
ironmonk Posted August 9, 2004 Author Posted August 9, 2004 The charging for confession I thought was bad. Non-Catholics are going to see this and think things like the Church charging for Confession. God Bless, ironmonk
dUSt Posted August 9, 2004 Posted August 9, 2004 [quote name='ironmonk' date='Aug 9 2004, 12:04 PM'] The charging for confession I thought was bad. Non-Catholics are going to see this and think things like the Church charging for Confession. God Bless, ironmonk [/quote] There's always going to be a confederacy of dunces out there.
Ash Wednesday Posted August 9, 2004 Posted August 9, 2004 Some parts of it was on the edge (like the woman yelling the "GD" at the cab) But I thought it was kinda cute. Now, if they did have such a thing, maybe it would get more people to go to confession. We have to keep in mind that people sneer at the passing of the collection basket, too, and refuse to let their blinders down, clinging to their safe haven of ignorance. If people really are going to be led to believe that an off the wall skit like Papal Cab represents Catholicism, then they are really, really stupid and not using the brain the good Lord gave them. The one thing that I find particularly objectionable, and this is found in the general public in LOTS of jokes and movies, and is one of the biggest things that makes people misunderstand confession despite it being a small twist on the use of words -- the inaccurate statement "forgive me Father for I have sinned." Isn't "[b]Bless[/b] me Father for I have sinned" the accurate opening request? Using the word "forgive" makes people think that you come directly to the priest for forgiveness when the priest is really mediating between you and Christ. Seeing that in movies and on television always rubbed me the wrong way for the reasons mentioned.
Carrie Posted August 9, 2004 Posted August 9, 2004 I don't know. I was taught "Forgive me Father for I have sinned" in Catholic school. Interesting point you bring up though.
ironmonk Posted August 9, 2004 Author Posted August 9, 2004 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Aug 9 2004, 03:41 PM'] If people really are going to be led to believe that an off the wall skit like Papal Cab represents Catholicism, then they are really, really stupid and not using the brain the good Lord gave them. [/quote] In general, people are stupid, and people do not know how to think - they do not have the common sense to look things up from the proper source when making a judgment on something... The average IQ is only 100... that means that there are a lot of below average people. They believe kerry is a good guy when they know he flip flops on every issue. People have a mob mentality. I think that people who want to do skits on the Church, need to get the Church right... not smear it like it's a company trying to make a buck. God Bless, ironmonk
Apotheoun Posted August 9, 2004 Posted August 9, 2004 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Aug 9 2004, 11:41 AM'] The one thing that I find particularly objectionable, and this is found in the general public in LOTS of jokes and movies, and is one of the biggest things that makes people misunderstand confession despite it being a small twist on the use of words -- the inaccurate statement "forgive me Father for I have sinned." Isn't "[b]Bless[/b] me Father for I have sinned" the accurate opening request? Using the word "forgive" makes people think that you come directly to the priest for forgiveness when the priest is really mediating between you and Christ. Seeing that in movies and on television always rubbed me the wrong way for the reasons mentioned. [/quote] The priest is an instrumental cause in the sacrament of penance. The whole sacramental system is based on instrumental causality. An instrumental cause is a true cause, but not necessarily the efficient cause in every case.
Kilroy the Ninja Posted August 9, 2004 Posted August 9, 2004 I thought they could have done without the charging for confession, but other than that it was humorous, had a good message, and may or may not be a good idea for New York. However, the Jewish one.... uh, ew.
PedroX Posted August 9, 2004 Posted August 9, 2004 I rather enjoyed it, except for the simony. I thought it was good to show a priest in such a light, kind, thoughtful etc. I'd rather them have that view of the church than the view the scandals have caused. peace...
Aloysius Posted August 10, 2004 Posted August 10, 2004 (edited) yeah i liked it too. i don't think it intended to show priests in a bad light and i don't think it does. Edited August 10, 2004 by Aloysius
Ash Wednesday Posted August 10, 2004 Posted August 10, 2004 [quote]The priest is an instrumental cause in the sacrament of penance. The whole sacramental system is based on instrumental causality. An instrumental cause is a true cause, but not necessarily the efficient cause in every case. [/quote] Could you translate that to simple AshWednesdaySpeak rather than Theologese? I think I get what you're saying, but maybe I'm one of the dumb ones Monk is talking about. Then "forgive me" or "bless me" is fine either way? So I've gotten my bloomers in a bunchie over something that was fine all along? Oops. At least I haven't whined about it aloud to anyone except on this board where I could get the facts straight.
Paladin D Posted August 10, 2004 Posted August 10, 2004 I enjoyed it, the Jewish taxi-cab was a nice touch.
ironmonk Posted August 10, 2004 Author Posted August 10, 2004 (edited) [quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Aug 10 2004, 03:23 AM'] Could you translate that to simple AshWednesdaySpeak rather than Theologese? I think I get what you're saying, but maybe I'm one of the dumb ones Monk is talking about. Then "forgive me" or "bless me" is fine either way? So I've gotten my bloomers in a bunchie over something that was fine all along? Oops. At least I haven't whined about it aloud to anyone except on this board where I could get the facts straight. [/quote] No... you are not dumb... Please don't misunderstand what I'm saying.... Take for instance the people that believe we worship the Pope... and they never seek an answer from a real Catholic source if we worship the Pope... those people are dumb. People that believe that republicans want to take food away from the poor from what democrat politicians say, and they never seek the answer from the republican in question to what their plan is about... those people are dumb. People that push on an ice dispenser on a refrigerator, and nothing comes out for five seconds or so, and they keep pressing on it, when they hear the motor cranking and no ice coming out... those people are dumb and don't know how to think... open the freezer and look to see what the problem is. People that get a pop up notice on their computer with a warning message or something like that, and do not read it, then ask me what it is before reading it... those people are dumb. People that know the Catholic Church had the authority and was guided by the Holy Spirit to give us the NT, and know that Christ said the Church would never be overcome... and they say that the Church lost it's authority... those people are dumb... they are dumb because they either haven't studied or because they wish to reject the ones sent by Christ. People that riot... are dumb. People that get in physical fights over watching a sport... are dumb. People that try to argue a point without giving it thought and/or study... are dumb. People that reject God... are dumb. etc.... We all do dumb things at one point or another, but there are those people who just do not know how to think and are dumb - stupid. God Bless, ironmonk Edited August 10, 2004 by ironmonk
Ash Wednesday Posted August 11, 2004 Posted August 11, 2004 Oh no... I wasn't referring to you, Ironmonk. My statement about being dumb was just in jest. I totally understand what you're saying. I was having a blonde moment and was confused by Apotheoun's following reply regarding the use of the term "forgive me father": [quote]The priest is an instrumental cause in the sacrament of penance. The whole sacramental system is based on instrumental causality. An instrumental cause is a true cause, but not necessarily the efficient cause in every case. [/quote] When a simple "yes" or "no" as to whether or not both "bless me father" and "forgive me father" is actually said in confession, would have sufficed with regards to my question. (Apotheoun you're a little ahead of me in the game...) :cheer: No biggie. Without a doubt, there are too many stupid people in this world, and they spoil all the fun. :wavey:
mmmerf Posted August 11, 2004 Posted August 11, 2004 Meh. I thought it was cute, but most of the jokes were a little forced. Not really funny. But there it is. Dave
socalscout Posted August 11, 2004 Posted August 11, 2004 (edited) [quote name='ironmonk' date='Aug 10 2004, 08:11 AM'] No... you are not dumb... Please don't misunderstand what I'm saying.... Take for instance the people that believe we worship the Pope... and they never seek an answer from a real Catholic source if we worship the Pope... those people are dumb. People that believe that republicans want to take food away from the poor from what democrat politicians say, and they never seek the answer from the republican in question to what their plan is about... those people are dumb. People that push on an ice dispenser on a refrigerator, and nothing comes out for five seconds or so, and they keep pressing on it, when they hear the motor cranking and no ice coming out... those people are dumb and don't know how to think... open the freezer and look to see what the problem is. People that get a pop up notice on their computer with a warning message or something like that, and do not read it, then ask me what it is before reading it... those people are dumb. People that know the Catholic Church had the authority and was guided by the Holy Spirit to give us the NT, and know that Christ said the Church would never be overcome... and they say that the Church lost it's authority... those people are dumb... they are dumb because they either haven't studied or because they wish to reject the ones sent by Christ. People that riot... are dumb. People that get in physical fights over watching a sport... are dumb. People that try to argue a point without giving it thought and/or study... are dumb. People that reject God... are dumb. etc.... We all do dumb things at one point or another, but there are those people who just do not know how to think and are dumb - stupid. God Bless, ironmonk [/quote] 1st - The film was ok and I was not offended but then again I do not know the intent of the filmmaker to really take it serious. If it was Michael Moore then I might take offense because of his agenda as opposed to maybe Mel Brooks. 2nd - Not to turn this into a "Stupid people" thread but I was an IT manager for 10 years and 16 years in the IT field and I have found that people are more apathetic than stupid. Actually I have found that upper management leaned more towards the stupid than the end user. Stupid people cannot comprehend or decipher data given to them. Lazy people rather have you do it. Lazy people are sheep and believe everything told to them without question because it is too much work to find out for themselves. If half of the non Catholics actually were bothered by the holes in their doctrine and searched for the Truth then our parishes and rectories would be stacked. My opinion. Take Care Edited August 11, 2004 by socalscout
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