Potential Pope Arinze Even More Of A Universalist

[MorphRC]

Budge. Please avoid turning this forum into a Copy and paste of anti-catholic carp, and pasting 3-4 newspaper articles out of context, I dealt with that junk on the JCForums.

[yiannii]

Does anyone know how JPII is?

[MorphRC]

Fine.. Why what happened?

[ICTHUS]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Aug 20 2004, 11:58 AM'] it depends on exactly what he meant by it. Subordinate mediation is a part of the faith, but there is no mediation between God and man apart from Christ so I don't know how this concept could be applied in a non-Christian context. [/quote]
Except that St. Pauls statement that there is "ONE MEDIATOR" is a blanket statement leaving no room for the human invention of 'secondary mediation'

[Aloysius]

how did you meet Jesus then? i'm sure you just figured it out on your own (well actually: even if you just figured it out on your own you're being a subordinate mediator yourself!)

the path to Jesus (who is the One Mediator between God and Man) is full of subordinate mediation.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='ICTHUS' date='Aug 21 2004, 10:20 PM'] Except that St. Pauls statement that there is "ONE MEDIATOR" is a blanket statement leaving no room for the human invention of 'secondary mediation' [/quote]
teehee. St. Paul himself is was a subordinate mediator.

[Budge]

Dont remember the BIble ever mentioning secondary mediators.

Whats with all this halfsie stuff?

Mushy-middle gray area, lets ignore Gods directions...

Others dont save, they may show you WHO to go for salvation but they dont save you.

[MorphRC]

I never learnt sub-mediators, when reading about Mary, and the Saints. They are intercessors like people on earth that pray for us, except since Mary and the Saints are in heaven they would have 'more pull'.

One Mediator, thats it. Bible says this, and so does Apostolic Teaching, if you apply Mary to this sub-ord. position, that cant be right, since it wasnt until the 4th century, that the mariam cult started, as in what we have today, prior to that, Mary was very, very special in the communities, but never a sub-ordinate mediator.

[Aloysius]

that's all subordinate mediation means morph, they pray for us to Jesus who is the one Mediator between man (us, saints, everyone in the body of Christ) and God.

[Laudate_Dominum]

I'm still wondering what religion you are Budge. ??? I'm just curious.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Aug 22 2004, 03:37 PM'] that's all subordinate mediation means morph, they pray for us to Jesus who is the one Mediator between man (us, saints, everyone in the body of Christ) and God. [/quote]
Better wording needs to be used! Seriously its misleading.

[dUSt]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 22 2004, 12:35 AM'] Better wording needs to be used! Seriously its misleading. [/quote]
[b]Mediator[/b] - One who resolves or settles (differences) by working with all the conflicting parties

If there wasn't any sub-mediators then it would be un-Biblical for a pastor, a friend or even the Bible for that matter to help you resolve your issues with God.

[dUSt]

Budge - No response to any of my posts above regarding your out of context attacks on Arinze? What about citing a source for the second "quote" you provided? If you want anyone to take you seriously you're going to have to start backing up your arguments with something.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='dUSt' date='Aug 22 2004, 04:11 PM'] [b]Mediator[/b] - One who resolves or settles (differences) by working with all the conflicting parties

If there wasn't any sub-mediators then it would be un-Biblical for a pastor, a friend or even the Bible for that matter to help you resolve your issues with God. [/quote]
Ok Thanks bro

[yiannii]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 21 2004, 09:44 PM'] Fine.. Why what happened? [/quote]
Just read that he was really ill.

[yiannii]

[quote][b]Cardinal Danneels says Pope's health "seriously weakened" [/b]

[i]SOURCE
Pope's health "seriously weakened" (Reuters 16/8/04)[/i]


Belgian Cardinal Godfried Danneels has said that Pope John Paul II's health has deteriorated and that he may be near the end of his life.

The 84-year-old Pope, who has Parkinson's disease and severe arthritis, visibly struggled as he wound up an emotional visit to the French miracle shrine of Lourdes on Sunday.

A crowd of about 200,000 listened to his words from a field near the grotto where the Virgin Mary is said to have appeared to a peasant girl in 1858.

"It was one of the most moving celebrations ever," Cardinal Danneels, told the Belgian daily Het Laatste Nieuws yesterday.

"The Pope's health has seriously weakened. When the Pope says: 'I end my pilgrimage here', that could mean two things. That, at least was how people listening to him in the field interpreted it. It was almost his goodbye to Lourdes and maybe also to his life," the cardinal added.

Danneels told Belgian VRT radio the Pope's comments about the end of his pilgrimage "may point to something deeper".

"It could of course mean that it is not something that will happen tomorrow or next month but that he does consider that the end is approaching," he added.

The Pope, whose speech is often hard to understand, no longer walks in public and has to be wheeled around in a special chair.[/quote]

[Brother Adam]

[William Putnam]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Aug 22 2004, 12:23 AM']I'm still wondering what religion you are Budge. ??? I'm just curious. [/quote]
I know her from other conferences, forums that are quite anti-Catholic.

she is an ex-Catholic, got envolved in Universalism, left that for something else, and what she is now I do not know. I think she is at least in some Fundamentalist denomination.

I have not spoken to her in a while...

God bless,

PAX


Bill+†+

[i]Give me that [b]REAL[/b] old time religion!
The CATHOLIC CHURCH, 2,000 years of history! [/i]

[MorphRC]

Hes been ill for going on 3yrs Id say. He'll fight thru :boxing:

[Laudate_Dominum]

thanks Bill.