Ridley Scott's New Crusades Film Panders To Osama

[MorphRC]

Dp.

Edited September 11, 2004 by MorphRC

[White Knight]

Well, I'm sick and tired of people thinking the Christians were the bad guys in the 8 crusades, it really ticks me off.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Oik' date='Sep 10 2004, 08:48 PM'] This is incorrect. Mohammed started Islam as a religion of submission to God. What grew out of this was turmoil, but Islam hasn't been about violence from the beginning.
[/quote]
It is historical fact that Mohammed himself led troops in battle against his enemies when he fought against Mecca and conquered it. His successors, with the military leadership of Khalid ibn al-Walid began defeated the Persians and the Byzantines. Submission to Allah was the Islam policy, which meant submit and convert to Islam or face battle. Survivors of battle were to be spared if they converted to Islam. War and forced conversions were methods of spreading Islam from the beginning. There was never a "peacable" period of Islam.

[Socrates]

Note, I'm not claiming that Muslims were or are insincere in their beliefs. I'm saying that historically they have always used war and violence to spread their religion. Modern, pc ideas of religious tolerance and pacifism are not part of the traditional Muslim mentality. The movie (from what I've read) gets this wrong.

[MorphRC]

Learn about Umar. He did a good job of conquesting most of Arabia and parts of the Byzantine Empire through force.

Umar, or Usumah

[White Knight]

If I'm correct I think The Islamic Religion formed after Christianity did.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='White Knight' date='Sep 12 2004, 03:57 PM'] If I'm correct I think The Islamic Religion formed after Christianity did. [/quote]
Yes. 613AD. First "revelation" of Muhammad.

Muslims believe that Islam has existed since Adam & Eve, Adam being the first prophet.

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Sep 9 2004, 08:21 PM'] I'm probably asking for a death threat here, but Islam (at least in its traditional form) was never a "religion of peace"!

Islam was founded and grew by the sword. Mohammed was a miltary genius who used military conquest to build a great empire. The Islamic religion was spread by military conquest. Islam was always about violence (convert or die!) By the 700s they had conquered much of the Middle East and (formerly Christian) North Africa and most of Spain and they had advanced as far as France, and perhaps would have conquered all Christian Europe, had Charles the Hammer not defeated them and caused them to withdraw. The history of medieval Spain is a gradual Christian reconquest from the Muslim invaders that took almost a thousand years.

The crusades were fought as a Christian defensive war to reclaim the Christian Holy Land from the Muslim Turks who had invaded it (by violent force)! Yeah, the Crusades were brutal, but the Muslims with their policy of violent conquest started it! All this revisionist stuff about the violent imperialistic Christians waging war on the peaceful, innocent enlightened Muslims is a load of horse dung! Muslims see it as their duty to wage war on infidels and use violent conquest to bring them under Islamic rule. Christians who survive the conquest and did not convert were forced to live as slaves. Islam was never about tolerance!

This garbage reminds me of Bill Clinton after 9-11 blaming it on the crusades.
If this movie is what they say it is, shame on Ridley Scott for making it! We should not lie about history to "appease" our enemies! This political correctness in hollywood is absurd. We are at war with Islamic terrorism, therefore no movies can be made showing Islamic terrorsists as bad guys (like they changed the villians in that Tom Clancy story from Arab terrorists to politically correct neo-Nazi villians (pc as villians that is)) Contrast this with WWII days!!

To this day, a brutal Muslim slave trade with Christian slaves prospers in African countries. Today's terrorist acts are not an abberation, but a continuing of Islam's age-old Fatwa with modern means. And yet the pc "multi-cultural" elites in America and Europe today pretend Muslims can do wrong (unless of course forced into it by Evil Christians!) We need truth, not pc lies by self-loathing westerners! [/quote]
well, I have been wanting to say that for a while but thought I would get in trouble...good job.

[LSW]

Boy, first a movie about "The Davinci Code" and now this! Its always an uphill battle for us isn't it?

[Paladin D]

Oh my gosh, and they complained about [b]The Passion of the Christ[/b]?

I guess we can look on the bright side, at least many academic scholars and historians are on our side.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='LSW' date='Sep 13 2004, 10:24 AM'] Boy, first a movie about "The Davinci Code" and now this! Its always an uphill battle for us isn't it? [/quote]
TDC is gonna be so stupid.

I wouldnt be surprised this keeps happening as a "Backlash" against the Passion and the deeds that came from that.

[DemonSlayer]

[quote name='LSW' date='Sep 12 2004, 06:54 PM'] Boy, first a movie about "The Davinci Code" and now this! Its always an uphill battle for us isn't it? [/quote]
Yeah, it's been like that for a long time, the world/society always needs a scapegoat and The Church is the accepted standard.

[MorphRC]

Yep.

[White Knight]

I dunno, but I hope Mel Gibson makes more Pro-Christian movies, instead of this type of trash "The Davinci Code Movie"

[MorphRC]

I think he will.

[White Knight]

I think Remour has it, people want him to do a Moses film, that would be cool. I dunno if its true.

[MorphRC]

I dont know. Moses has been done a lot. I reckon he should do one on Pius XII and the Jews. Show people how the Vatican's Priesthood exploded in population ..


*Wonders why*

[White Knight]

It would be cool if he did one on King David, that has real Bibicial basis to it, and it can be a really good christian war film.

[toledo_jesus]

that would be cool, but only if the violence wasn't the main point of the movie. With the Passion, violence was central cause it was against Jesus. So it served a purpose. The violence in an action movie wouldn't serve much purpose...

[MorphRC]

[quote name='White Knight' date='Sep 14 2004, 04:50 PM'] It would be cool if he did one on King David, that has real Bibicial basis to it, and it can be a really good christian war film. [/quote]
that would be awesome.