dUSt Posted September 26, 2003 Author Posted September 26, 2003 Okay. The Back Alley has returned. It's password protected. E-mail me or private message me if you want it. You can talk about anything you want in there. It's a free-for-all. God bless.
cmotherofpirl Posted September 26, 2003 Posted September 26, 2003 CAn you make some holy water available?
mp15 Posted September 26, 2003 Posted September 26, 2003 Anything that turns into a Catholic vs Catholic argument regarding liturgy or doctrine--specifically when it begins to represents disunity within the Church. But dUSt that is part of the problem. There is disunity within the church. To pretend that there isn't is doing everyone a disservice. I say confront the problems head on with the truth. Don't hide it and pretend that it doesn’t exist. I was getting a lot out of the Traditional thread you locked, and was starting to understand what Cmom was saying. Now if that can't be discussed how will others and I benefit from such discussions? Look, I am truly sorry to hear that these types of discussions have been a cause for you to start to doubt your faith. But on the opposite side of that I have been losing my faith steadily over the past months precisely over this very point. If Catholics (and that includes me) are so closed minded as to not want to talk about our differences then what is the point of staying Catholic? We are all on a journey, and throwing up roadblocks does everyone a disservice. We can all learn a thing or two. We are never too old or too young to learn. I would love for there to be a discussion about alter girls, but I’m sure that would be off limits. Once again, I understand it is your board and you can make any rule you want. If that is your final answer then that is fine by me. You asked for input as to what I felt was wrong with Phatmass, well this is part of the problem. If you want this site to be for the younger crowd only, then just say so, and that will be that.
dUSt Posted September 26, 2003 Author Posted September 26, 2003 mp, I just opened the Back Alley. Continue the trad discussion there. This is now a non-issue. God bless.
marielapin Posted September 26, 2003 Posted September 26, 2003 "ARE YOU READY FOR A WAR!!" haha, don't get your hopes up.. I just took a look at what was moved into the Back Alley and I was a bit surprized at what was back there.
mp15 Posted September 26, 2003 Posted September 26, 2003 (edited) mp, I just opened the Back Alley. Continue the trad discussion there. This is now a non-issue. God bless. The people are a apart of the church dUSt. So it stands to reason that what is in their minds is also within the church. Look, I agree with the part about authority. We could all follow authority a little better. But I was beginning understand what Cmom was saying and in doing so was aligning my thoughts in such a way. Does that make any sense? The thing is is this. If someone has a misunderstanding about church teaching where is the benefit of not discussing it? How is that person going to come to a better understanding. Sure they could go talk to their Preist, or they may chose to come here where they feel more comfortable. Just because there is a debate that might come out of a discussion doesn't mean that those that are discussing it are questioning the Church's authority. They may be just as missinformed as well, and could surely benifit from such a discussion. See what I'm saying? Anyway, I've got to be the world worst speaker so it probably makes no sense. Edited September 26, 2003 by mp15
cmotherofpirl Posted September 26, 2003 Posted September 26, 2003 The people are a apart of the church dUSt. So it stands to reason that what is in their minds is also within the church. Look, I agree with the part about authority. We could all follow authority a little better. But I was beginning understand what Cmom was saying and in doing so was aligning my thoughts in such a way. Does that make any sense? The thing is is this. If someone has a misunderstanding about church teaching where is the benefit of not discussing it? How is that person going to come to a better understanding. Sure they could go talk to their Preist, or they may chose to come here where they feel more comfortable. Just because there is a debate that might come out of a discussion doesn't mean that those that are discussing it are questioning the Church's authority. They may be just as missinformed as well, and could surely benifit from such a discussion. See what I'm saying? Anyway, I've got to be the world worst speaker so it probably makes no sense. mp if you have a question you can email me.
dUSt Posted September 26, 2003 Author Posted September 26, 2003 mp, Maybe you missed the part where I said "this is now a non-issue". What point are you still trying make?
mp15 Posted September 26, 2003 Posted September 26, 2003 No point at all. Just trying to see if you understand were I'm coming from.
dUSt Posted September 26, 2003 Author Posted September 26, 2003 No point at all. Just trying to see if you understand were I'm coming from. Yes. I understand. I've understood even before I made the decision. I understand the need for open dialogue within the Church. I understand that we must do something about liturgical abuses. I wish we could get every priest and bishop to conform to the authority of the Church and uphold tradition. I want teenagers to be more impressed with reverence and the Real Presence than with the charisma of the homily or excitement of the music. I do not want to debate these things on phatmass. There are more productive methods for accomplishing intra-Church issues.
Donna Posted September 30, 2003 Posted September 30, 2003 dUSt, "Donna, please clarify" how I think you were being dishonest. To clarify: There have been many more outrageous threads than Quo Primum in the few months I have been here. And usually there would be some kind of warning before abruptly pulling the plug. But the many replies on this thread, after I'd initially posted, explain more about your reasons. I am in complete agreement with you that Tradition/Concilliar issues are generally not suitable for those young in the Faith; or maybe rather that they (and a number of issues can come up) would be best dealt with one at a time, over a period of time, and with much prayer. That is an ideal; it may play out differently in real life. Once again, I think the Back Alley compromise is an excellent one. Thank you, dUSt.
ironmonk Posted October 1, 2003 Posted October 1, 2003 Why? Because I haven't made a place for it. The Debate Table is a place for those that disagree with a teaching of the Catholic Church. It was created for Catholic vs non-Catholic dialogue. As soon as I feel that it would benefit the Church to have a place for Catholic vs Catholic dialogue, I'll create a board for it. God bless. good rule. Traditionalists/modernists both go against the Church... so I think it would be very easy to follow this rule. People who want to say that Vatican II was not a council, or that a Mass is not a Mass when the Vatican says it is, are going against Church teachings. People who want the Church to change morals (i.e. Call to action), are going against Church teachings. God Bless, ironmonk
Don John of Austria Posted October 1, 2003 Posted October 1, 2003 All orthodox Catholics are traditionalist, Tradition is one of the three sources of Truth with Scripture and the Magisterium.
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