Bush Is Making A Pro-life Difference!

[littleflower+JMJ]

THe media as always is BIASED. but we have to stand up and back up our president. Bush is doing his Job and we should be proud of him! Keep him in your prayers! we are blest to have such a anti-abortion president!!!

lets not give up and keep fighting to end abortion!

God bLess!

+JMJ

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...health_gag_dc_7

Study: U.S. Abortion Policy Closes African Clinics

Wed Sep 24, 4:19 PM ET Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo!

By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites)'s anti-abortion policy has forced family planning clinics in poor countries to close, leaving some communities without any healthcare, according to a report issued Wednesday.

Even faith-based clinics that promote abstinence -- in line with White House policy -- have had to close, according to organizers.

Under the policy, known as the Mexico City rule by supporters and the Global Gag rule by opponents, foreign family planning agencies cannot receive U.S. funds if they provide abortion services or lobby to make or keep abortion legal in their own country.

A survey of Ethiopia, Kenya, Romania and Zambia by Population Action International and the Planned Parenthood (news - web sites) Federation of America showed the rule had forced clinics to close and left many men and women without access to contraceptives that could prevent both unwanted pregnancies and AIDS (news - web sites).

"You cannot separate HIV (news - web sites)/AIDS, reproductive health and abortion," said Hillary Fyfe, who heads the Family Life Movement of Zambia, a faith-based group working with adolescents on sex education.

While her group does not promote abortion or even condom use, it does talk about the possibility, and that was enough to lose U.S. funding, Fyfe said. Three clinics in Lusaka closed this year.

"We taught natural family planning and abstinence until marriage," Fyfe said in an interview. Now her group will be unable to holds its workshops unless they can find alternative funding, Fyfe said.

The same is happening in several countries, according to the report.

"Health services have been scaled back and closings of reproductive health clinics have left some communities with no healthcare provider," the group wrote in a statement.

HURTING AIDS EFFORTS

The policy has also hurt AIDS prevention efforts, said the group, which published the findings on the Internet at www.globalgagrule.org.

As one of his first acts in office in 2001, Bush reinstated the rule that former President Bill Clinton (news - web sites), a Democrat, had lifted. The rule was originally imposed in 1984 by President Ronald Reagan (news - web sites) at a Mexico City conference.

Last month Bush ordered the State Department to strengthen the rule by withholding U.S. family planning help from overseas groups that promote or perform abortions with their own money.

Five family planning clinics run by nongovernmental organizations have closed in Kenya because they refused the restrictions and lost funding from the U.S. Agency for International development, the report said.

"As a result, they are prevented from participating in a large-scale integrated health care program funder by the U.S. Agency for International Development, which curtails the effectiveness and reach of the program," the report reads.

In Kenya's Mathare Valley, a family planning clinic closed, leaving 300,000 people with no healthcare services. "And there is no other family planning or reproductive health clinic nearby," the report said.

In Romania, women may be more likely to get abortions, not fewer, because the rule has meant more women cannot get any information on contraceptives that can prevent unwanted pregnancies, the report said.

"This is the real face of Bush's compassionate conservatism -- a war on the world's most vulnerable women and children, who bear the brunt of Bush's obsession with appeasing his domestic political base," Planned Parenthood's Gloria Feldt said in a statement.

But White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan said the policy only affected family planning clinics, not general health clinics.

"The president had just unveiled a $15 billion program to address the biggest healthcare crisis facing Africa, which is AIDS," she said in a telephone interview. "Any organization that wants to participate in delivering healthcare services relating to AIDS can do so."

[Chastisement]

Good on him! I'm still a little "annoyed" about the whole stem-cell fiasco, however.

But what gets me, is how all these Pro-Choice groups go on about how "anti-woman" he is when he cuts funding to the UN family planning sub-group, the one that funds abortions in China, where abortions are forced, how can any Pro-Choicer support forcing a woman to abort, when they're so against forcing a woman to be remain preggers.

Pro-Choice? What a crock...

Anyway, as for condoms, Coke and Bill Gates have actually given millions of dollars for condoms and BC and "abortion kits" for Africa, so they still find their blood money without having to mooch it off Bush.

Edited September 26, 2003 by Chastisement

[Norseman82]

This is just a further reminder that even if - I mean when - we win the struggle at home, we won't yet be done.

But I am glad we are going on the offensive once again, so to speak.

[JP2Iloveyou]

If anyone was in Washington, D.C. last January for the March for Life, you may have heard, I believe, Rep. Chris Smith discussing the pro-life movement in America. I had never thought of it, but he is exactly right when he says that the pro-abortion crowd is quite literally killing their own movement. Eventually, when these good pro-life families are having their four, five, six, or more kids, those kids are going to grow up with their parents values and begin to vote that way. The pro-death crowd, however, with their 1.2 kids per family will eventually lose this battle. Even pro-aortion groups are beginning to acknowledge that public opinion has shifted on this matter. The majority of American, according to PLANNED PARENTHOOD no less, now feel abortion is wrong in all or most circumstances. This is becoming a major issue in America today and I think we will see how big it really is in the next election cycle.

OK, next point. I don't think this gets said enough, but consider all of the times some athiest sues to get public funding removed from anything that even remotely supports religion. They base their argument on the idea that their tax dollars going to support something of religious value violates their freedom of religion. Now, why is it not a violation of our freedom of religion to have our tax dollars go to fund overseas abortions? If anything, that should be more of a violation in my opinion.

[Chastisement]

OK, next point.  I don't think this gets said enough, but consider all of the times some athiest sues to get public funding removed from anything that even remotely supports religion.  They base their argument on the idea that their tax dollars going to support something of religious value violates their freedom of religion.  Now, why is it not a violation of our freedom of religion to have our tax dollars go to fund overseas abortions?  If anything, that should be more of a violation in my opinion.

Exactly.

Why is it that the same people who say that abortion should be a private matter between a woman and her doctor and that the govt. should keep it's nose out of it, are the same people who expect the govt. to pay for it?

It really rubs me the wrong way, in NZ the govt. will pay for your abortion if you meet certain criteria, and given that people abuse the way the law is, the majority of women are getting free abortions curtsoey of my taxes!

[Aloysius]

OK, next point.  I don't think this gets said enough, but consider all of the times some athiest sues to get public funding removed from anything that even remotely supports religion.  They base their argument on the idea that their tax dollars going to support something of religious value violates their freedom of religion.  Now, why is it not a violation of our freedom of religion to have our tax dollars go to fund overseas abortions?  If anything, that should be more of a violation in my opinion.

let's sue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we'll cite all the cases where athiests won, and then the athiests pro-choicers'll be all like, "wait a second! we want those babies to die! put the ten commandments back, put the religious stuff back! as long as people have the right to kill babies!"

then we'll be like, sorry, too late, cause we'd rather have abortion funding cut than a few religious stuff around, right? babies are more important than statues.

yeah, i'm rambling. Any lawyers here on Phatmass? u wanna represent our lawsuit?

[Deeds]

I wouldn't call Bush pro-life. He doesn't oppose abortion in cases of rape and incest and his views on the death penalty are anything but pro-life.

[littleflower+JMJ]

I wouldn't call Bush pro-life. He doesn't oppose abortion in cases of rape and incest and his views on the death penalty are anything but pro-life.

but what other president would have done the same thing as bush did in that article?

certainly not gore, nor clinton or anyone i can think of.......

[cmotherofpirl]

I wouldn't call Bush pro-life. He doesn't oppose abortion in cases of rape and incest and his views on the death penalty are anything but pro-life.

I am pro-life and also agree with the death penalty in certain cases.

[Chastisement]

Any lawyers here on Phatmass?  u wanna represent our lawsuit?

My brother's a lawyer, well, got his LLB at least.

Of course, American law is very differnet system to NZ's.

Mind you, my brother did ask me if I knew of any Pro-Life groups in NZ who needed a lawyer! :D

[BLAZEr]

Would you call someone pro-life if they opposed abortion in all cases, opposed the death penalty, but they used contraception?

Because, quite frankly contraception 45% of the time is abortifacient . . . and even when it is not causing early abortions it is still closed to life . . .

So pro-life is a broad term and my view is simple . . .

What will save the most babies right now? I think we're on a warzone and every human life counts. If W will help me save 100,000 more lives in 4 years than Gore would, then W has got my vote . . . Of course I will be the first to poke and prod W to get with the program and save all the babies, including the ones that are frozen as embryos . . . and if a more pro-life guy comes aruond who has a good chance of winning, then, he (or she) is my man . . . it's all about the baies . . .

[littleflower+JMJ]

Because, quite frankly contraception 45% of the time is abortifacient . . . and even when it is not causing early abortions it is still closed to life .  . .

i agree.

bush is also pushing for abstinence program in america's schools instead of evil planned parenthood that support contraception and abortion.

lets pray for him and also voice our support.

God bless!

+JMJ

[Good Friday]

I don't have the time nor the energy to get involved in a long-drawn out argument over the virtues and vices of St. George the Non-Catholic, but while I'm here I thought I would draw everyone's attention to the following:

While her group does not promote abortion or even condom use, it does talk about the possibility, and that was enough to lose U.S. funding, Fyfe said. Three clinics in Lusaka closed this year.

"We taught natural family planning and abstinence until marriage," Fyfe said in an interview. Now her group will be unable to holds its workshops unless they can find alternative funding, Fyfe said.

Note that this group does not promote abortion or condom use, and that they do promote natural family planning and abstinence until marriage. And yet they have lost funding. Why? I seriously doubt the virtue of something that helps unnecessarily spread AIDS in war, disease, and poverty-torn Africa. What will the people of Africa do if these clinics shut down? Or shall we sacrifice them on the altar of idealism and/or the altar of Bush the Idol?

[littleflower+JMJ]

its okay my purpose is not to argue but rather to shed some light on what bush is doing. and 'll tell you because i know for a fact, that i think that they["the media, was this particular author angry over what was giong on? was he/she pro-abortion?"" they are biased good friday im very sure that there is more to the story than they tell us in that one sentence. the media never tells you the whole story. look at how they portray abortion?

think about it. that clinic refused. why? what else did they refuse also that theyre not telling us?

i think bush is setting a example that abortion is wrong adn he will not support.

remember speech, they (media) want him down they will never applaud him for trying to stop abortion. in fact they would do the exact opposite. don't buy all of it speech. until they tell you the truth about abortion, etc. i will never fully believe their side.

bush is doing something. something that i don't think anyone else would be doing if they were president, i know that fact. otherwise things would be ten-times worse.

and thats what im trying to get at. its okay if you do not that you agree with me, my point was to share

+JMJ

God bLess!

ps. impraying foryour grandma...

[Good Friday]

I do appreciate the prayers for my grandmother, and it's okay with me to agree to disagree, I'll just never believe that Bush is looking out for the greater good of this country and the world. But that's okay, we all have our opinions.

[BLAZEr]

I think its awfully curious to suggest that Bush isn't concerned with what is best for America. I think that thou judgest his heart, which is for God alone to judge. But never the less, I would ask . . . just who out there do you believe is looking out for America's best interest? It would be laughable for you to suggest any of the 10 or so candidates on the Democratic ticket, who are just arguing over which of them would kill more babies through abortion and Dr. Death, from Vermont is advocating killing the old too.

I think if Dorothy Day were still alive today you would find her sitting outside in front of a Planned Parenthodd office trying to stop girls from going inside.

It's always very difficult for me to get into these types of discussions, because I did not vote for George Bush, I do not think he is a saint, and I disagree with many of his policy decisions. But I still think he is doing a good job, that he is sincere in his leadership of this country and that he is trying, as best he understands how, to encourage a culture of life. Judge him by his words and actions, and do not impute your bias into his heart.

Besides, if you read that article more closely you will see that the director of the so-called "pro-life" clinic also says that she would like to see abortion as part of the AIDS agenda in Nigeria. Why would anyone who teaches only Natural Family Planning advocate abortion as part of a way to tackle AIDS in Africa? She is a phony liar, as far as I'm concerened. Of course, the media would do its best to make it seem like this decision to cut off funding to abortion supporters is "hurting" the good guys too.

I will tell you this. Abortion is illegal in Nigeria, so this woman isn't performing abortions because she can't do it legally. Her lobbying I'm sure is to try to get abortion made legal so that her clinic can do what it really wants to do, and won't be limited by the Nigerian law. I for one am glad she is closing her doors. I hope many more like her are forced to close down.

[Deeds]

I'm not his biggest fan, but I agree that Bush is taking steps in the right direction over abortion. However, I don't consider him to be pro-life. Opposing abortion except in cases of rape or incest is illogical. Pro-lifers value the life of the foetus - a foetus conceived through rape or incest is every bit as valuable as one conceived through consensual sex. It suggests he's not anti-abortion for the right reasons. I do applaud him for his efforts though.

Would you call someone pro-life if they opposed abortion in all cases, opposed the death penalty, but they used contraception?

Because, quite frankly contraception 45% of the time is abortifacient . . . and even when it is not causing early abortions it is still closed to life . . .

It depends. If they were using non-abortifacient contraception then it's perfectly compatible with being pro-life. If they were using abortifacient contraception and didn't realise it hindered implantation then yes, it's also possible to be pro-life. But if they were using abortifacient contraception and were fully aware of its effects then no, I would not call them pro-life because they would be supporting early abortions.

I am pro-life and also agree with the death penalty in certain cases.

Could you maybe elaborate a wee bit more? :)

[Good Friday]

First of all, I will say again that I don't intend to have a long drawn-out debate on this subject. I had one once before, which did little to no good for anyone here or for myself. At this point, I have a grandmother who is dying and a family that is falling apart, and right now that takes precedence over the extremist ideology that is so prevalent on this phorum.

I think its awfully curious to suggest that Bush isn't concerned with what is best for America. I think that thou judgest his heart, which is for God alone to judge.

The only thing I'm going to say about this is that there is already a massive about of judging going on here, and most people only seem to get upset about it when people they like are being judged. Now of course, there are exceptions. Azriel and a few others don't like anyone to be judged. But, for the most part, it's okay to judge here, just as long as the person being judged isn't someone that the extremist majority adores.

But never the less, I would ask . . . just who out there do you believe is looking out for America's best interest? It would be laughable for you to suggest any of the 10 or so candidates on the Democratic ticket, who are just arguing over which of them would kill more babies through abortion and Dr. Death, from Vermont is advocating killing the old too.

Did I mention the Democratic candidates? Did I endorse one of them? This is precisely why it's futile to debate politics with you people, because as soon as I depart from Republican ideology I am ipso facto a Democrat. I doubt that anyone in our government is looking out for this country. I'm not concerned with them, I'm concerned with the fact that Bush has been set up as an idol among extremist Christians of all denominations. I'm concerned with "admonishing the sinner," i.e. those who give Bush the adoration that is due to God alone.

I think if Dorothy Day were still alive today you would find her sitting outside in front of a Planned Parenthodd office trying to stop girls from going inside.

I think it's inappropriate to speak for the dead who are not here to speak for themselves. Perhaps she would be sitting outside a Planned Parenthood clinic, but I doubt that she would do it to the exclusion of helping all the other poor and suffering throughout the world. That is what Bush does, and that is what extremist Christians worldwide are doing. And we wonder why the world is so adverse to Christianity? Gee, I wonder.

It's always very difficult for me to get into these types of discussions, because I did not vote for George Bush, I do not think he is a saint, and I disagree with many of his policy decisions. But I still think he is doing a good job, that he is sincere in his leadership of this country and that he is trying, as best he understands how, to encourage a culture of life. Judge him by his words and actions, and do not impute your bias into his heart.

By his words and actions, I do not see what you see. Of course that makes me automatically wrong, because the extremist position is that they must be right and all others must be wrong, all of the time. I think he's done a terrible job. Do you know how many people there are without jobs right now? How many people are living at or below poverty level? 12 million children, I forget how many adults. Is this the culture of life that the extremist wing that has seized the Catholic Church and so many other churches is promoting?

I'll tell ya, as I sit here cold this morning, already in September, wondering if my family will have a furnace this winter... I am not touched by Bush's brilliant leadership and pro-life position.

As far as your preposterous ideas about the left-wing media conspiracy, so be it. If there is a conspiracy, I hope it beats the right-wing conspiracy, because at least then perhaps I won't be freezing.

[vianney]

ha ha im sorry for laughing but you cant possibly blaim your hardships on the Republican party. And all the arguments you used are subjective.

But, for the most part, it's okay to judge here, just as long as the person being judged isn't someone that the extremist majority adores.

Subjective

[Good Friday]

ha ha im sorry for laughing but you cant possibly blaim your hardships on the Republican party.

May I ask why not?

And all the arguments you used are subjective.

So be it. I'm not here to convince anybody, only to give my opinion. I know now, after having been here for quite some time, that it's futile to try to convince most here of anything outside of the extremist Catholic range of beliefs.

As for my subjective argument about the judging that goes on here... it's only subjective because I don't waste my time digging through the phorum for the objective proof that shows some of the same people who have told me not to judge Bush judging others they don't like.