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[Noel's angel]

i commented because i found the signature offensive, ure the one thats commenting about how we in the six counties should be free, as if u live here and know what its like

[gonzaga]

what do u think you prefer... pre 1916 Ireland or now?

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Paul' date='Sep 26 2004, 10:25 AM'] [b]Watch the attitude towards my mother!![/b]

If you want to make comments like that, go find a pad of paper. [/quote]
I meant no disrespect towards your mother.
I wouldn't be so prepared to die for a conflict that could be better resolved by a simple cessation of combat and terrorism. I would rather be a legitimate and serious political force than a terrorist group. You can accomplish a lot more by 1. not being dead and 2. not killing people.

[Paul]

[quote name='Noel's angel' date='Sep 26 2004, 01:02 PM'] i commented because i found the signature offensive, ure the one thats commenting about how we in the six counties should be free, as if u live here and know what its like [/quote]
[color=red][Edited by Raphael: Personal Attack][/color]

[Paul]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Sep 26 2004, 10:56 PM'] I meant no disrespect towards your mother.
I wouldn't be so prepared to die for a conflict that could be better resolved by a simple cessation of combat and terrorism. I would rather be a legitimate and serious political force than a terrorist group. You can accomplish a lot more by 1. not being dead and 2. not killing people. [/quote]
Then you need to study your Irish history. We've tried, Diplomacy, begging, failed attempts by force earlier, politics. Poms only understand one thing, violence. Politics is their way of jamming the system, slowing things down.

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Paul' date='Sep 27 2004, 12:13 AM'][color=red][Edited by Raphael: Personal Attack][/color][/quote]
:shame:

[Paul]

[font="Times"][b]IRA & Terrorism?[/b][/font]

[b]Meaning of Terrorism:[/b]

[b]ter·ror·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm)
n.[/b]
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

[url="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=terrorism"]The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition, Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company[/url]

[b]Main Entry:[/b] ter·ror·ism
[b]Pronunciation:[/b] 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
[b]Function:[/b] noun
[b]1 :[/b] the unlawful use or threat of violence esp. against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion
[b]2 :[/b] violent and intimidating gang activity <street terrorism> —ter·ror·ist /-ist/ adj or noun —ter·ror·is·tic /"ter-&r-'is-tik/ adjective

[url="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=terrorism"]Merriam-Webster Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.[/url]

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[b]Meaning of Unlawful:[/b]

[b]un·law·ful ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-lôfl)
adj.[/b]
Not lawful; illegal.
Contrary to accepted morality or convention; illicit.
Of, relating to, or being a child or children born to unmarried parents.

[url="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=unlawful"]The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition, Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company[/url]

[b]Main Entry:[/b] un·law·ful
[b]Function:[/b] adjective
[b]1 :[/b] not lawful : not authorized or justified by law
[b]2 :[/b] acting contrary to or in defiance of the law <an unlawful possessor> —un·law·ful·ly adverb —un·law·ful·ness noun

[url="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=unlawful"]Merriam-Webster Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.[/url]

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Whos law are they fighting against? Britian's.

Who is Britian?, [was] the greatest imperialistic empire in the world.

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[b]Chronology of the IRA Campaign:[/b]

[url="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/ira/etc/cron.html"]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...a/etc/cron.html[/url]

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[b]Victims of British, State-Sponsored Terrorism in N.I.:[/b]

[url="http://www.relativesforjustice.com/index.html"]http://www.relativesforjustice.com/index.html[/url]

[b]Victims Index:[/b]
[url="http://www.relativesforjustice.com/victims_index.htm"]http://www.relativesforjustice.com/victims_index.htm[/url]

[color=blue][b]Victims of Collusion between Loyalist paramilitaries and the British Army / RUC:[/b][/color]

[url="http://www.relativesforjustice.com/victims/victims_collusion_a_e.htm"]A-E Victims [Pictures Included][/url]

[b]Sean Anderson 32 years[/b], [i]Loughbracken Road, Pomeroy, County Tyrone[/i], shot dead leaving his isolated home on 25 October 1991. Unionist/loyalist gunmen ambushed him as he drove his car in the lane-way leading to his home. The shooting happened about 9.30pm as he was on his way to his girlfriend’s home. The gunmen used automatic rifles similar to those brought in to the North in December 1987, with the help of British Intelligence. Mr Anderson, who was hit ten times, was a former H-Block prisoner who was released in 1988. He suffered constant harassment from the Royal Ulster Constabulary for a long period before his death.

[b]Paddy Askin 53 years[/b], [i]Monaghan town, County Monaghan[/i], killed in a no-warning car bomb attack at Church Square, Monaghan town, on 17 May 1974. Seven people, including Mr Askin, died or were fatally injured in the blast. The Monaghan blast came an hour or so after three similar car bombs in Dublin, which claimed a further twenty-seven lives. Responsibility for the blasts, now the subject of an Irish Government inquiry, pointed to operatives within British military intelligence because of the detailed planning and co-ordination involved, and the type of explosives used. Although unionist/loyalist personnel were involved in placing of the bombs, the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) did not admit its role in the bombings until the mid-1990s.

[b]James Burns 33 years[/b], [i]Rodney Drive, west Belfast[/i], shot dead in his home during the early hours of 23 February 1981. He was widower with three children. Mr Burns was a well-known republican who was interned for several years during the early 1970s. The Ulster Volunteer Force claimed it carried out the killing, which took place in the shadow of a British Army observation and listening post on top of nearby flats.

[b]Anne Byrne 35 years[/b], [i]Raheny, Dublin[/i], killed in one of three no warning car bomb explosions in Dublin City centre on 17 May 1974. Mrs Byrne was married with two children. Twenty-seven people, including Mrs Byrne, died or were fatally injured in the Dublin blasts. A short time after the Dublin blasts a car bomb exploded in Monaghan town. In total thirty-three people died or were fatally injured in the blasts that day. Responsibility for the blasts, now the subject of an Irish Government inquiry, pointed to operatives within British military intelligence because of the detailed planning and co-ordination involved, and the type of explosives used. Although unionist/loyalist personnel were involved in placing of the bombs, the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) did not admit its role in the bombings until the mid-1990s.

[b]Rory Cairns 18 years[/b], [i]Bleary, Co. Armagh[/i], shot dead along with his older brother Gerard in their home on the evening on 29 October 1993. The two young people were watching television and looking after their 11-year-old sister, who had been celebrating her 11th birthday, when two gunmen burst into their home and shot the two brothers dead. . The UVF later claimed it carried out the killings. At this time the UVF in Co. Armagh was headed by Billy Wright, suspected of being an RUC Special Branch agent.

[b]William Carson 32 years[/b], [i]Rosevale Street, Cliftonville Road, north Belfast[/i], shot and fatally injured in his home on the evening of 24 April 1979. He died in hospital several hours later.

[color=red]The two gunmen responsible for the killing had called at Mr Carson’s home earlier that evening asking if he was in and were told by his two children that their father and mother were out. The same men called an hour later and sat with the children until their father and mother returned home and then shot Mr Carson in his hallway.[/color]

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[b]US Admin & Iraq Terrorism:[/b] [[i]Meaning of Terror At Top[/i]]

Asked whether the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq broke international law, Annan said, “[b]Yes[/b], if you wish. I have indicated it was not in conformity with the U.N. Charter from our point of view, and from the charter point of view it was [b]illegal[/b].” [b]NBC, MSNBC and news services Updated: 11:34 a.m. ET Sept. 17, 2004[/b]

[b]Verified:[/b] [url="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1305709,00.html"]Guardian Unlimited.[/url]

The United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan has told the BBC the US-led invasion of Iraq was an [b]illegal act[/b] that contravened the UN charter. - [b][url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3661134.stm"]BBC NEWS: Iraq war illegal, says Annan[/url][/b]

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[color=green][b]Iraq War & The Pope:[/b][/color]

Pope John Paul II held a private audience on Saturday with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, offering the Vatican an opportunity to voice its [b]strong opposition[/b] to a possible war against Iraq. - [b][url="http://www.cathnews.com/news/302/121.php"]CathNews: Pope appeals to Blair against Iraq war[/url][/b]

[i]One for Micah:[/i] [b]FOXNEWS[/b]:

The unwavering stance has made the pope one of the most visible [b]opponents of war[/b] in current circumstances, and a rallying point for peace groups and politicians who seize on his words counseling against war.

John Paul has insisted that war is a "[b]defeat for humanity[/b]" and that a preventive strike against Iraq is [b]neither legally nor morally justified[/b].

But in some of the [b]Vatican's strongest language against a possible war[/b], its foreign minister Archbishop Jean-Louis Tauran said a unilateral military strike would be a "[b]crime against peace[/b]" with no justification on grounds of self-defense. - [url="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,80875,00.html"]FOXNews - Vatican Strongly Opposes Iraq War[/url]

[b]AmericanCatholic.Org:[/b]

[b]VATICAN CITY (CNS) --[/b] The capture of Saddam Hussein may help bring peace to Iraq, but it does not change the fact that "[b]the war was useless, and served no purpose[/b]," a top Vatican official said. - [url="http://www.americancatholic.org/News/JustWar/Iraq/"]AC.Org - Saddam's capture may bring peace, doesn't excuse war, cardinal says[/url]

[b]February 27, 2003, ROME, Italy - A U.S[/b]. church leaders delegation in Rome February 26-27 delivered a plea to Pope John Paul II during a public audience Wednesday, asking that he come to New York to address the U.N. Security Council "and, in so doing, address the U.S. public" [b]on his opposition to war with Iraq[/b]. - [url="http://www.ncccusa.org/news/03news15.html"]U.S. Church Leaders, in Rome, Ask Pope to Address Security Council[/url]

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[b]The war was illegal in the UN's eyes and the Catholic Church's. Therefore the Iraq War was an act of terrorism against a nation.[/b]

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Seems some of us, should be more careful how we apply the word terrorism.

[Scofizzle]

the IRA will never succeed in reuniting Ireland. If they continue to try and go about they way they are now.

One question for you Paul. What authority doea either the UN or the Church have over any Government in the entire world?

None

[Paul]

[quote name='Scofizzle' date='Sep 27 2004, 04:01 AM'] the IRA will never succeed in reuniting Ireland. If they continue to try and go about they way they are now.

One question for you Paul. What authority doea either the UN or the Church have over any Government in the entire world?

None [/quote]
The South got their freedom

We will gain that freedom, by any means. "[b][color=green]Freedom[/color] [color=gray]Then[/color] [color=orange]Peace[/color][/b]!"

The UN were set up by Governments, from differing nations.
The Church is God's Mouth on Earth. [keep that in context plz!].

They both find it illegal, therefore it is. Simple as that.

[Noel's angel]

[quote]We[/quote]

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[toledo_jesus]

any word from the Vatican on the IRA? I bet they have the official stamp of approval.

[gonzaga]

I know that priests and bishops in ireland have commented that the IRA are fighting for a noble cause, even a priest was accused of being involved in IRA activities.

[Unas]

[quote name='Noel's angel' date='Sep 27 2004, 10:57 AM']
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you wouldnt understand it even If I dont you.

[Unas]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Sep 27 2004, 03:10 PM'] any word from the Vatican on the IRA? I bet they have the official stamp of approval. [/quote]
The Vatican hasnt spoke ill of the cause. The pope visited Ireland, a little time ago, and asked the IRA to stop operations while he visited, and pray during that time. They didnt adhere, I think they sent him a letter, outright refusing. Thats all I found.

[Scofizzle]

[quote name='Paul' date='Sep 27 2004, 05:22 AM'] The South got their freedom

We will gain that freedom, by any means. "[b][color=green]Freedom[/color] [color=gray]Then[/color] [color=orange]Peace[/color][/b]!"

The UN were set up by Governments, from differing nations.
The Church is God's Mouth on Earth. [keep that in context plz!].

They both find it illegal, therefore it is. Simple as that. [/quote]
the US is a sovereign nation.....neither the Vatican nor the UN has any authority over the US. While I personally choose to believe that the Vatican is higher in Authority...that does not meant the US govt. has to abide by anything the Vatican has to say

[Thy Geekdom Come]

We've all had enough of this. I meant to close this thread as well this morning. Sorry, folks.