Lil Red Posted October 2, 2004 Posted October 2, 2004 :irate: :irate: :irate: :irate: i'll get back to you on the rest, i'm just ticked about the goats = humans thing. :irate: :irate: :irate: :irate:
Cathurian Posted October 3, 2004 Posted October 3, 2004 I said a prayer for you and the people at your table.
jasJis Posted October 3, 2004 Posted October 3, 2004 hugheyforlife, You did a fantastic job! I am very impressed and delighted. So what if you cried? You showed passion and zeal. Don't be surprised at some people's reaction. It isn't you, but the message. Some people don't want to hear that God loves everybody and only wants them to turn from their sins and to Him. They killed Jesus for it. God has blessed you 10 times more than what you suffered. Try and be thankful for that. The baby-goat thing was simply a sophmoric and sick attempt at humor. Pray about that night. Without a doubt, there were some people (despite how it seems with what they said) that your words made a impression. A pearl starts off as an irritating grain of sand. Thank God for the opportunity. Thank God for the Grace He gave you to share His love. Pray for more grace of patience. Pray to be loving and open if some of your group comes to you to discuss this more without the "rest" of the group. Pray to be ready with kind, patient, and loving answers. Pray to be as Christlike as possible when the opportunity arises again. You and your friends will be in my prayer intentions tonite at a Mass. Again, FANTASTIC JOT!!!!!
franciscanheart Posted October 3, 2004 Author Posted October 3, 2004 Thanks everyone. All of you have been very encouraging and I appreciate it. The dance was last night and it was obvious that some of my group was not exactly happy with me. It wasn't a big deal to me because I knew that I had Him with me. I had a good time and I think my date had an okay time despite the circumstances. Some of these people have said something else about it to me and I actually did have a conversation with one of them about it. We never finished but promised to sometime in this upcoming week. I pray for those who are aborted before they have the chance to serve God in this life!! I pray too for the mothers who, for whatever reason, decided that they couldn't or didn't want to go through with the pregnancy. Thanks again everyone. Love to all!! God bless, Laura Thomas
Luthien Posted October 3, 2004 Posted October 3, 2004 Im so proud you. The babies in heaven are giggling with delight! Godbless you again, and again, without exception! You and I share a name by the way.
franciscanheart Posted October 3, 2004 Author Posted October 3, 2004 [quote name='Luthien' date='Oct 3 2004, 03:24 PM'] You and I share a name by the way. [/quote] hehe i know.... lauras are the coolest hehe
theculturewarrior Posted October 3, 2004 Posted October 3, 2004 As I've said before...somebody very dear to me had an abortion, and I was one of many people encouraging her. The baby would be 8 today. I found out in March that she was going to name the baby after me. And she is permenantly scarred, although perhaps she does not realize to what extent. Prayers for your friends, Hughey. Some people just have to learn the hard way. (I was one such person). Hopefully they will learn.
franciscanheart Posted October 3, 2004 Author Posted October 3, 2004 Justin (baby one) you are remembered!! Happy Birthday!!
theculturewarrior Posted October 3, 2004 Posted October 3, 2004 [quote name='hugheyforlife' date='Oct 3 2004, 04:01 PM'] Justin (baby one) you are remembered!! Happy Birthday!! [/quote] oh...I didn't mean today was his birthday. I didn't know how to word that. But pray for him anyway!
azaelia Posted October 3, 2004 Posted October 3, 2004 Little Justin's probably standing at the edge of Heaven with my older brother Andrew (stillborn) saying "Don't pray for me. Pray for my mother."
franciscanheart Posted October 3, 2004 Author Posted October 3, 2004 aw well sorry for the mistake but whatever!! Happy Birthday for all the times I have missed !! All of you up there, we remember you!! My brother and sister are there too. I love yall!!
Noel's angel Posted October 3, 2004 Posted October 3, 2004 My parish priest did an amazing homily on abortion today, it was so brilliant, i was actually thinking of asking for a written copy of it because it was just so amazing
Thy Geekdom Come Posted October 3, 2004 Posted October 3, 2004 [quote name='azaelia' date='Oct 3 2004, 05:08 PM'] Little Justin's probably standing at the edge of Heaven with my older brother Andrew (stillborn) saying "Don't pray for me. Pray for my mother." [/quote] As most of you know, my brother was three months premature, so abortion is a very important issue in my family...especially seeing what he is capable of, having been born at two trimesters.
reelguy227 Posted October 4, 2004 Posted October 4, 2004 GO LAURA !!!!!!! I wouldve done the same thing ,you did well standing up for what you believe in against immeasurable odds ,great and awesome job defending God and His Church , I salute you ,lol . Its awesome what you did ,good job . God Bless, Ricky.
BeenaBobba Posted October 4, 2004 Posted October 4, 2004 Ugh, that's horrible! First, you can tell your friend that killing animals and killing babies are two different things. The wrongness of killing human beings has nothing to do with mental capacity. If that was the case, the right to life would be conditional and quantitative, i.e., it could be argued that people of superior mental capacity are more worthy of life than the average person. It could also be argued that the mentally challenged could be killed at the whim of the more intelligent. Of course, that's pretty darn worrisome! As for animals, they simply don't have the same dignity human beings have. I've found that many of the arguments animal "rights" activists use are rather circular. For instance, some of them believe that there are no ethical and moral differences between humans and animals; thus, they believe that killing an animal is tantamount to killing a child. Their reasoning is usually circular because if they believe that we're the same as animals, why should we be held to higher standards? Animals eat other animals, and no one freaks out about that. It's a bit inconsistent that many of them don't have problems with that. After all, if we're just animals, why can't we eat animals like other animals do? Another point they tend to overlook is the part we humans play in the ecosystem. Think of it this way: If spiders didn't kill and eat flies and other insects, there would be ecological imbalance. Animals, believe it or not, have important ecological roles to play, yet it's also important for animals to eat other animals to keep nature in line. It's God's way of keeping things regulated. Biologically speaking, we're part of the food chain. We have an important role to play in the regulation nature, especially since God has given us stewardship over creation. If no one hunted deer, there'd be too many of them. Their food supplies would be exhausted, and many of them would starve. Starvation isn't exactly a quick, painless death, and who likes to see animals suffer? Animal "rights" activists claim they don't. Plus, if we didn't eat chickens, cows, pigs, etc., and if we left them to do their own thing, we'd be competing with them for food. They'd be breeding like crazy with no one to regulate their population by killing them and eating them. That would be horrible for us and for them! You should also tell your friend that all human embryologists believe that life begins at conception. That human life begins at conception is a scientific fact. Your friend might try to say that the tiny being isn't a human person because he or she doesn't think and feel. Tell her that unconscious people don't think and feel, and that doesn't make it okay to kill them. If she says something like, "But it's just a little blob of cells," tell her there's no fundamental human difference between her and that "little blob of cells," being that both she and the tiny baby have their own DNA. They're both living, growing human beings. As for your friends' arguments on homosexuality and such, you might want to read some apologetics pages on the 'Net. Phatmass has a good directory of sites you can check out. Read 'em up so you'll be ready for your friends if they decide to bring this up again. Honestly, it seems to me that your friends aren't very tolerant of your views. I find that rather hypocritcal, really, because your friends seem to lean a bit to the Left -- and it's no secret that a big (supposed) staple of Leftism is "tolerance." I suspect that with many of them, tolerance only applies to those who hold their views. Are you in high school? If so, your friends might still be a bit immature. I'm not saying that to make fun of them, but that might be why they act so insensitive towards you. It's one thing to disagree with someome (even on a lot of things), but it's another thing to act like a jerk and treat someone like carp. If they continue to disrespect you, you might want to consider cutting them loose. Anyhow, I hope this helps. If you need any more advice, let me know. God bless, Jennifer P.S. God bless you for sticking up for life! You're a soldier; keep on truckin'!
cathoholic Posted October 4, 2004 Posted October 4, 2004 I'm so proud of you, have courage and keep going. I'll be praying for you
BeenaBobba Posted October 4, 2004 Posted October 4, 2004 One more thing: To your friend who said it's wrong to say that homosexual relations are wrong "because that's who they are, and it's wrong to deny that," I'd point out that serial killers often have great desires to go out and kill people. Just because the desire is there doesn't mean they should do it. God bless, Jen
cathoholic Posted October 4, 2004 Posted October 4, 2004 Agreed, do people with pedophilia deny who they are if they don't have sex with children? Homosexuality is a disorder even if society wants to close it's eyes to it (don't mean to sound uncharitable, just stating a point. I pray for my brethren who struggle with homosexuality so they may deal with it righteously... many do).
Ash Wednesday Posted October 4, 2004 Posted October 4, 2004 Bless your heart, hughey. You're one brave and wonderful soul. I agree with Sinner about the pearls and swine. I have a friend and we used to talk about these issues a lot more than we do now, but it's become a lot of strain on our friendship. Her heart is simply not as open to the Catholic viewpoint (my viewpoint, too...) as it has been in the past, so now I choose battles more wisely and pray for her. What helps a lot with these really volatile discussions is to try to diffuse the situation a bit. When dealing with "angry loud liberal" types I try to start off my viewpoint with something like "I understand why you would feel this way, and I realize this is a very sensitive issue, but..." like what St. Paul talks about in his letters about leveling with the person, and starting where they are at. (Being a Jew to a Jew, a gentile to a gentile...) It's always more constructive in discussion to acknowledge the opposing viewpoint before counterpointing, and most of all doing it with compassion. (It's easy to get really mad!) If the anger and heavy emotion is diffused, it's more likely the person will listen to you. That's not always a guarantee, but it helps. Now on the other hand: [quote]"If we can kill baby goats which have a mental capacity that exceeds that of a newborn baby then why can't we kill the babies too?"[/quote] This girl really needs to go back and think about what it is she just said. Especially the "why can't we kill the babies too" part. Good lord. :shame:
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