Guest Aluigi Posted October 7, 2004 Posted October 7, 2004 people need to be taught that real community is found in us all looking towards GOD. real community's not: [img]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-9/837215/falsecommunity.JPG[/img] it's more : [img]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-9/837215/realcommunity.JPG[/img] (blue dots being people and red lines being focus)
DojoGrant Posted October 7, 2004 Posted October 7, 2004 The letter seems to imply that the Tridentine Mass was wrong. That's no good.
Guest Aluigi Posted October 7, 2004 Posted October 7, 2004 i created those images in paint, saved em as JPGs, and uploaded them to my free account at villagephotos.com then i just used the image tag
qfnol31 Posted October 30, 2004 Posted October 30, 2004 (edited) [quote name='CatholicforChrist' date='Oct 6 2004, 07:12 PM'] Didn't the Church say that the Mass will be celebrated for all time (even though there is another option from Paul VI; he himself said that he only wanted to give an option)? If the Church says that something is perpetual, that would certainly become part of Tradition, no? [/quote] Actually, I've been meaning to make two clarifications: 1) The Pope is the one who said "perpetually." This'll sound stupid at first, but it leads into number 2. 2) The Pope has special priveleges on the word "perpetually" for it doesn't actually mean "perpetually," but rather until some other Pope changes it. This is a special rule amongst the Popes, and has been used (look at the Jesuits, who were "perpetually" suspended over a century ago). It's definately odd, and makes it sound like the word is just being twisted around, but I had my advisor teach me about this, and he has other proofs too. Also, the Mass is a discipline, not a doctrine, so it can be changed. To be Tradition it would have to do with doctrine, meaning faith and morals. The faith and morals of the Mass haven't changed (well, shouldn't have changed), but rather just the disciplines. I hope that helps some. <- Special priveleges. Edited October 30, 2004 by qfnol31
traichuoi Posted October 30, 2004 Posted October 30, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Oct 6 2004, 11:41 AM'] That sounds like the Tridentine Mass that I remember... She should mention missing Mass is still a mortal sin, and the Mass of today can have plenty of issues of its own. No one Mass is perfect. [/quote] actually...i would say mass is perfect...if it's truly mass, it's perfect because of the perfect Presence.
qfnol31 Posted October 30, 2004 Posted October 30, 2004 I would argue that it's not exactly perfect...otherwise it'd never be changed.
traichuoi Posted October 30, 2004 Posted October 30, 2004 (edited) well, no matter how messy mass can be, is it not made perfect by the perfect Presence? our humanity brings imperfection but Christ makes it perfect...i could be wrong in my line of reason here but that's what i believe i've heard before... anyways, not to dwell on such a detail but it just caught my eye Edited October 30, 2004 by traichuoi
qfnol31 Posted October 30, 2004 Posted October 30, 2004 Jesus was (is) present in this world, but His Death wasn't exactly perfection on our parts. He gives Himself perfectly, we don't.
traichuoi Posted October 30, 2004 Posted October 30, 2004 that's the point though...we bring the imperfect while Christ perfects it...
Mary's Knight, La Posted October 30, 2004 Posted October 30, 2004 i think it was CMom who pointed out the author living in alexandria, La. as that's where I live, allow me to share something about the community: While we have many hardcore catholics, there is also a definite... progressive (that's a nice safe word) leaning. So what she wrote very likely does contain some errors but if she's like most of the catholics around here, it's unlikely that the errors are there to push an agenda but just oversights. If pushed most catholics in this area come up on the side of tradition.
God Conquers Posted October 30, 2004 Posted October 30, 2004 That article definately has a negative slant towards the old mass, which is wrong. It could be more positive all around too. But I would think twice about moving parishes. I have a tendency to be drawn to really great, hardcore parishes too, but I believe we have an obligation, unless something is SERIOUSLY wrong at your parish, to build up and be an example to the parish where we live. Our parishes should be community AND eucharistically centered, so if one is lacking, we should be positive about it and try and set an example and proimote the other.
homeschoolmom Posted October 31, 2004 Posted October 31, 2004 Clearly the mass is all God centered and should be. In him we live and breathe and have our being. He has created time, the very atoms of our being and the conditions in the universe that make our small lives possible. Note that the community element is quite important in the mass as well as is written about in the Vatican II documents. Paul also speaks explicitly about the "body of Christ" being the community of believers. So, the community element should be quite important as well (once again read the Vatican II documents.) Also, the mass contains a heavily eschatological element. In heaven all will be gathered around the lamb who was slain and proclaim his praises... "Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lamb who was slain." So as Christians, all Christians; Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant should seek to be one proclaiming the praises to the Lamb.... That is a big part of the reason I became Catholic...
HS_Dad Posted October 31, 2004 Posted October 31, 2004 Oops, I thought I was logged on as myself, Home School Dad. Please don't blame my Home School Mom. Be nice to her !!!!
Socrates Posted October 31, 2004 Posted October 31, 2004 The article just sounds like the typical modernistic bs.
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