Cure of Ars Posted October 14, 2004 Posted October 14, 2004 Ok same rules, the above question is not an opinion poll. There is a right and wrong on the basis of what the Church does and doesn’t allow in the liturgy. It is basically a quiz. I just thought it would be fun to see how much the Catholics on Phatmass as a group know the rules for the liturgy of the Mass. The questions are from Jimmy Akin’s book Mass Confusion. I will give the right answer in a couple of days. Please show some restraint and don’t give the answer away and please only look the answer up after you have given your answer. I know personally that this is one area that I don’t know much about and I guess this is my way of learning about it. (this is regarding U.S. Status)
D0RK4JP2 Posted October 14, 2004 Posted October 14, 2004 i've voted on all 4 of these. i hope im getting them right...
Soldier4Him Posted October 14, 2004 Posted October 14, 2004 I've seen it happen for instance when a missionary comes in and talks about the experience and for help with their ministry. Sometimes it is in addition to the "normal" homily, and sometimes it replaces it al together. I'm waiting impatiently for this answer...
Piccoli Fiori JMJ Posted October 14, 2004 Posted October 14, 2004 I think I actually know the answer to this one! I am excited!
qfnol31 Posted October 14, 2004 Posted October 14, 2004 Blah, occasionally the Bishop will have a seminarian say the homily "spiritual reflection" at Mass for "practice." He's only an acolyte.
Lil Red Posted October 14, 2004 Posted October 14, 2004 i definitely know this one ~ because i've had to look it up before.
Thy Geekdom Come Posted October 14, 2004 Posted October 14, 2004 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Oct 14 2004, 12:55 PM'] Blah, occasionally the Bishop will have a seminarian say the homily "spiritual reflection" at Mass for "practice." He's only an acolyte. [/quote] That reminds me of the question asked on EWTN about some nun who distributed communion (you'll see in a minute why I didn't capitalize that) when a priest was not available in the military for Mass. When asked who consecrated the hosts since the preist was gone, the nun answered, "Oh, I did. Any Christian can do it."
Fiat_Voluntas_Tua Posted October 14, 2004 Posted October 14, 2004 There was a Seminarian that would give a 'spiritual Reflection' during the Homily @ my Parish...but it stopped...
Paladin D Posted October 15, 2004 Posted October 15, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Oct 14 2004, 03:15 PM'] That reminds me of the question asked on EWTN about some nun who distributed communion (you'll see in a minute why I didn't capitalize that) when a priest was not available in the military for Mass. When asked who consecrated the hosts since the preist was gone, the nun answered, "Oh, I did. Any Christian can do it." [/quote] [b]WWWWHOOOAA!!!!![/b]
franciscanheart Posted October 15, 2004 Posted October 15, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Oct 14 2004, 02:15 PM'] That reminds me of the question asked on EWTN about some nun who distributed communion (you'll see in a minute why I didn't capitalize that) when a priest was not available in the military for Mass. When asked who consecrated the hosts since the preist was gone, the nun answered, "Oh, I did. Any Christian can do it." [/quote] ?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!?!?!?!?!?!??!?! OH MY GOODNESS OH MY GOODNESS *runs to pray for such things to stop happening*
D0RK4JP2 Posted October 15, 2004 Posted October 15, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Oct 15 2004, 06:15 AM'] That reminds me of the question asked on EWTN about some nun who distributed communion (you'll see in a minute why I didn't capitalize that) when a priest was not available in the military for Mass. When asked who consecrated the hosts since the preist was gone, the nun answered, "Oh, I did. Any Christian can do it." [/quote] Gday, see this face >>> <<< NOT HAPPY at all about that. The stench of 'liturgical abuse' is wofting all around that one . JMJ.
Fiat_Voluntas_Tua Posted October 15, 2004 Posted October 15, 2004 What is one to do in that situation? I would probably leave...actually yes I would and pray for that nun. Then return after the abuse and talk with the nun. Mary Queen of the Clergy...Pray for Them!
Cure of Ars Posted October 16, 2004 Author Posted October 16, 2004 The answer is prohibited [quote]The Code of Canon Law is clear that only priests (including bishops) of deacons may give homilies: [quote]Canon 767 SS 1-2, 4 Among the forms of preaching, the homily is preeminent; it is a part of the liturgy itself and is reserved to a priest of to a deacon… Whenever a congregation is present a homily is to be given at all Sunday Masses and at Masses celebrated on holy days of obligation; it cannot be omitted without a serious [Latin, gravi or “grave”] reason… It is the duty of pastor or rector of a church to see to it that these prescriptions are conscientiously observed. [/quote][/quote]
cmotherofpirl Posted November 18, 2004 Posted November 18, 2004 Our Bishop does give permission for missionaries to come and ask for charity. It is never a homily.
Apotheoun Posted November 24, 2004 Posted November 24, 2004 It is prohibited for anyone who does not possess Sacred Orders to give the homily during the Divine Liturgy. As the Vatican Instruction [u]Ecclesiae de Mysterio[/u] says: [quote name='Ecclesiae de Mysterio' date=' Article 3 § 1']The homily, being an eminent form of preaching, [i]qua per anni liturgici cursum ex textu sacro fidei mysteria et normae vitae christianae exponuntia[/i], also forms part of the liturgy. The homily, therefore, during the celebration of the Holy Eucharist, must be reserved to the sacred minister, Priest or Deacon to the exclusion of the non-ordained faithful, even if these should have responsibilities as "pastoral assistants" or catechists in whatever type of community or group. This exclusion is not based on the preaching ability of sacred ministers nor their theological preparation, but on that function which is reserved to them in virtue of having received the Sacrament of Holy Orders. For the same reason the diocesan Bishop cannot validly dispense from the canonical norm since this is not merely a disciplinary law but one which touches upon the closely connected functions of teaching and sanctifying. For the same reason, the practice, on some occasions, of entrusting the preaching of the homily to seminarians or theology students who are not clerics is not permitted. Indeed, the homily should not be regarded as a training for some future ministry. All previous norms which may have admitted the non-ordained faithful to preaching the homily during the Holy Eucharist are to be considered abrogated by canon 767, § 1.[/quote]
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