Iacobus Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 I don't like dresses. They aren't close enough to my skin. Plus I think there is something wrong with a guy wearing a dress. But I do like when girls were dresses or skirts sometimes. It is a lot easy, but than again Matt and I have had the whole neuter (lol don't ask) debate.
Homestarlover85 Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 [quote name='rachael' date='Oct 18 2004, 07:56 PM'] nah. too airy. (sp?) i HATE dresses with a passion [/quote] im there with you... but i dont mind skirts.
rachael Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 [quote name='Iacobus' date='Oct 18 2004, 09:45 PM'] I don't like dresses. They aren't close enough to my skin. Plus I think there is something wrong with a guy wearing a dress. [/quote]
franciscanheart Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 [quote name='Lavender' date='Oct 18 2004, 08:14 PM'] This is what I think: If us girls are going to try hard enough to be modest and disguise their curves, then guys should try hard to keep their eyes inside their heads. You can't do it if you're missing one or the other. End of story. :plunger: [/quote] can it get any more true than this??
HomeTeamFamily Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 in all defense of you ladies, its also on us guys to be aware of our gazes so that your choice in dress is not so limited
Phazzan Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 [quote name='VoloHumilisEsse' date='Oct 18 2004, 09:32 PM'] in all defense of you ladies, its also on us guys to be aware of our gazes so that your choice in dress is not so limited [/quote] Oh Adam you're my hero!!!! :wub: Face it ladies, whether you wear jeans or pants or whatever guys are always gonna be checking ya out!
franciscanheart Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 i try to dress modestly, whether that be jeans or skirts or potato sacks, and i hope for the best. i know that i am "covering up" but am still comfortable and feeling okay with myself. what guys choose to look at or not look at i cannot control. dresses all the way? no anything all the way? no dress modestly and pray for the best
azaelia Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 Why do we have to cover our butts because certain guys can't keep their minds off of our bodies??? :angry: I don't understand why we have to dress in sacks so that guys won't be tempted. WHY CAN'T THEY CONTROL THEMSELVES?? :angry: I hate skirts. Skirts make it easier to look up at what's underneath...and I don't wear skin tight jeans, thank you
HomeTeamFamily Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 [quote] Why do we have to cover our butts because certain guys can't keep their minds off of our bodies??? mad.gif I don't understand why we have to dress in sacks so that guys won't be tempted. WHY CAN'T THEY CONTROL THEMSELVES?? mad.gif[/quote] thats my point, its also the guys responsibility to "look modestly"!!!!
*teen4Christ* Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 I know a ton of guys who try not to look and they do an awesome job. but it is hard I mean really hard for a guy not to look. We just have 2 dress modestly and if they look it wont be our fault. but if a guy looks at you and has a bad thought and he saw your skin from like just under your neck to like just before your knees then you have the sin just has bad as he does!!!
Phazzan Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 I mean, looking doesn't always mean lusting, sometimes it can also mean admiring. Of course there are those sicko perverts who just keep staring and can't look away (i.e. volohumilisesse), but also there's admiring the curves that grace a woman's body. I mean, God made women with curves and yes, they're [u]supposed[/u] to be sexually attractive to us, even before marriage otherwise how would we know they're sexually attractive? Doesn't mean we lust over them, just means we admire them for being what they are, women. Anything else is just feminism.
franciscanheart Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 [quote name='Phazzan' date='Oct 18 2004, 11:59 PM'] Of course there are those sicko perverts who just keep staring and can't look away (i.e. volohumilisesse) [/quote] he would never!! phazzan!! dont be mean
Phazzan Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 [quote name='hugheyforlife' date='Oct 19 2004, 08:24 AM'] he would never!! phazzan!! dont be mean [/quote] But being mean is fun, hughey! I like being mean. :-D
homeschoolmom Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 [quote name='Phazzan' date='Oct 19 2004, 08:26 AM'] But being mean is fun, hughey! I like being mean. :-D [/quote] :nono: :shame:
franciscanheart Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 [quote name='Phazzan' date='Oct 19 2004, 08:26 AM'] But being mean is fun, hughey! I like being mean. :-D [/quote] :ph34r:
Duc_In_Altum Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 [quote]I don't understand why we have to dress in sacks so that guys won't be tempted. WHY CAN'T THEY CONTROL THEMSELVES?? [/quote] a just question indeed. The truth of the matter is that its the way we are. Sorry. guys naturally find women attractive. And that's nobody's fault. Not even the Romans (a quote from monty python's life of brian). Our genetic and hormonal makeup, through instinct, feeds this attraction. It's also part of our society that we have been raised on that our eyes and minds tend to wander. Not to make excuses, but moreso to produce a wider perspective and try to understand the opposite gender. Through a sort of reciprocal determination, human behavior has been proven to be affected by our environment and therefore, our liberal and sexually casual society has a direct impact. That requires us to fight natural temptation to lock on. Its all a matter of deciding what is of God and what is of satan. We must make that choice every time we face temptation. When we look through natural instinct and formation, we have to always dismiss it. We have our role to play and so do women. We have to dismiss our temptations when they naturally come to us. We humbly ask the help of women to dress modestly for the sake of their dignity and our weak flesh. Basically, if you had the opportunity to save someone from swimming in a lake of fire for all eternity, would you do it? I hope so. We need holy women to help hold us accountable. Without holy women, holy men fail easily. I hope this helps you understand us a little more. In faith, hope, and most of all, love, -Joe (a guy)
mattosika Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 [quote name='VoloHumilisEsse' date='Oct 18 2004, 09:32 PM'] in all defense of you ladies, its also on us guys to be aware of our gazes so that your choice in dress is not so limited [/quote] dido
Paladin D Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 The blame isn't soley on the females, but also on the males. Females should have common sense (*really* tight clothing for example), but no matter what you wear... guys will still look. It's not a sin for a guy to [b]look[/b], it's a sin for him to [b]lust[/b]. Don't women [b]look[/b] at guys too? Should we wear giant socks over our bodies? No, just use common sense!
Thy Geekdom Come Posted October 19, 2004 Posted October 19, 2004 [quote name='Paladin D' date='Oct 19 2004, 02:12 PM'] The blame isn't soley on the females, but also on the males. Females should have common sense (*really* tight clothing for example), but no matter what you wear... guys will still look. It's not a sin for a guy to [b]look[/b], it's a sin for him to [b]lust[/b]. Don't women [b]look[/b] at guys too? Should we wear giant socks over our bodies? No, just use common sense! [/quote] Paladin brings up an interesting point. We cannot dismiss the body as being something inherently sinful, as it is created by God, so it is not in fact intrinsically sinful to look. However, this pretty much is an "in a perfect world" situation. Christopher West, in [u]Theology of the Body for Beginners[/u], points out that if original sin had not occurred, if we were not fallen, we would still all be nude. We would see one another nude all the time and none of us would mind. Why? Because we would look on one another with love. In this situation, a man might look at a woman still, but what he would see is not a collection of body parts, but an image of God. In fact, seeing one another in the nude, when in the purity of God's original plan, would glorify God, and not work against Him. West points out that a woman in the shower is nude without having any problems with it, but if a man enters the bathroom, she covers herself up immediately. He is quick to point out that it is not because she feels shame or because her body is evil and should not be seen. It is because, instead, that she does not want her body to be brought down by his most likely lustful thoughts. She does not want her body, and image of God, to be tarnished. In her hiding her body, she does not want to insult it as being evil or dirty, but she wishes, on the other hand, to show how much it is worth and how, because of its intrinsic good, it should be protected from causing scandal. Therefore, in her instinctive reaction to cover herself, we see that, despite what some misguided theologians may tell us, she is recognizing at the deepest level of her mind, the inherent good in her body. How can this be practically applied? A person must remember that while we devout Catholics may (or may not) be able to love another purely, most of humanity will feel lust. It is therefore wise to cover oneself to avoid the sin of scandal. It is also wise to cover oneself so that we may give the sight of our bodies to only one person. As is the general rule, the best gifts come wrapped and only one person can unwrap them. This helps our attention to focus on giving that gift to a special person God has given us. Some refrain from marriage and choose celibacy. This is not a rejection of marriage, but a marriage which reflects our eternal glory with God in a different way. When we reach Heaven, we will cooperate as well as we can in giving of ourselves and receiving one another and God. This is what the Eucharist does for us now, but we cannot experience the full gift of the Eucharist because we are most often unable to give completely of ourselves (the more we give ourselves away to God, the more room we will have in us to hold Him). Therefore, we must be modest, because we do not wish to scandalize and because in our modesty, we will help to focus attention on the correct things for the correct people. Practically speaking, looking may not be intrinsically wrong, as Paladin stated, but we are fallen and should avoid even the occasion of sin. In addition, even if we could look without lusting, but only having love (and that love would have to include love for the whole person), the person at whom we are looking may think that we have lust in our hearts, and therefore we should not look, because it could drive them to scandal, as well. Christopher West states that many people trying to avoid lust look away very diligently, and that if that is necessary, it is better that they avoid all visual contact than cause themselves to sin. However, he points out that we should not have to look away, if we have love and not lust. Chances are, though, that most of us have not reached that level. Furthermore, if we truly do love, we will most likely be looking at the eyes, anyway, since that is a common human characteristic for showing respect and love.
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