popestpiusx Posted October 25, 2004 Posted October 25, 2004 [quote name='Sinner' date='Oct 24 2004, 11:54 PM'] Ohhhhhhhh........ like an Eastern Orthodox is DL....... now I get it. Ummm well I doubt I'll be going to that. [/quote] There are several eastern rites that are in union with Rome (Melkites, Ruthenian, etc.). These you can go to if you woyuld like to experience a Divine Liturgy. It is well worth the visit. Here is a directory: [url="http://www.crosslink.net/~hrycak/ch_indx-s.html"]http://www.crosslink.net/~hrycak/ch_indx-s.html[/url]
BeenaBobba Posted October 25, 2004 Author Posted October 25, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Oct 25 2004, 08:45 AM'] Let me just say this, and leave it as ambiguous as I can. If your statement is true, then you are either judging the two on extremely superficial grounds or you have never seen a well done Trid. Mass. [/quote] You seem to be assuming that there must be something wrong with him because he prefers the Novus Ordo. I hope I'm wrong, but you seem to be hinting that the Novus Ordo is objectively inferior to the Tridentine Mass. That's the sort of thing I don't want on my thread. If you prefer the Tridentine Mass -- but do not have any problems with the Novus Ordo -- then you're fine with me. Something tells me that's not the case, though. I didn't get the impression that Zach thinks the Tridentine Mass is inferior. What he did say is that he prefers the Novus Ordo. A lot of Catholics do because they find it easier to understand. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, so long as they don't talk a lot of smack about the Tridentine Mass. You see, whether one feels more spiritually fed at the Novus Ordo, the Divine Liturgy, or the Tridentine Mass is largely subjective, i.e., it'll vary from person to person. God bless, Jen
BeenaBobba Posted October 25, 2004 Author Posted October 25, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Oct 25 2004, 08:45 AM'] I think I'm being baited. However, if I defend the opposite I would do so in violation of the forum guidlines. (How is the above statement not a violation or is it permissable to say that the N.O. is better than the Trid.? If so, this is terribly inconsistent.) [/quote] Again, I think you're reading too much into his post. Notice that he said he likes all Catholic liturgies. When he said he thinks the Novus Ordo is better than the Tridentine Mass, he was just giving his opinion. He didn't say, or even imply, that the Novus Ordo was objectively superior to the Tridentine Mass. I really don't want any arguing on this thread, okay? God bless, Jen
theculturewarrior Posted October 25, 2004 Posted October 25, 2004 Any of these are fine with me...just as long as there is chant and incense and all the trappings of traditional liturgy. Personally, I find the best liturgy is at AU parishes, although I've never been to an Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy. Go Anglican Use!
popestpiusx Posted October 25, 2004 Posted October 25, 2004 (edited) [quote name='BeenaBobba' date='Oct 25 2004, 09:34 AM'] Again, I think you're reading too much into his post. [/quote] Perhaps you are right. Perhaps not. [quote]I really don't want any arguing on this thread, okay? [/quote] I have no intention of strting an argument. I was simply pointing out what seems to be an intolerable acceptance of anti-Tridentine rhetoric, but a complete forbidance of any critique of the N.O. But as you said, perhaps I am reading to much into his comment. On that note, I will say no more, except that I apologize if I misunderstood. Edited October 25, 2004 by popestpiusx
Theoketos Posted October 25, 2004 Posted October 25, 2004 PSPX did not mean to bait you. Sorry. I have been to quite a few Trinitine Mass, most were exquisite and reverant. I enjoy going to them. Often the Churches that they are in really make the mass. But, I must admit, that the Best and most beautiful Masses, I have been too have been in the Novus Order. That is all I am saying, and I think that is what Q man ment... Beauty is really subjective, though it is based upon objective principles...We must keep that in mind...
qfnol31 Posted October 25, 2004 Posted October 25, 2004 (edited) [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Oct 25 2004, 06:45 AM'] I think I'm being baited. However, if I defend the opposite I would do so in violation of the forum guidlines. (How is the above statement not a violation or is it permissable to say that the N.O. is better than the Trid.? If so, this is terribly inconsistent.) Let me just say this, and leave it as ambiguous as I can. If your statement is true, then you are either judging the two on extremely superficial grounds or you have never seen a well done Trid. Mass. [/quote] I'm sorry if you thought that. It partly has to do with the Tridentine Mass in the area isn't quite as nice as it probably could be, but that's just me. I love the Tridentine Mass. I can't say which I think is objectively better, it was more a statement of subjectivity, based on the ones I've been to. Sorry if that looked like a comment against them in general. I do love all the Liturgies! ed: "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." Plato Edited October 25, 2004 by qfnol31
popestpiusx Posted October 26, 2004 Posted October 26, 2004 (edited) [quote name='qfnol31' date='Oct 25 2004, 04:06 PM'] "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." Plato [/quote] False statement. Beauty is objective. Why? Beacause God, who is [b]The Beautiful[/b] is the standard and all things are more or less beautiful depending on how close they are to or how much they participate in, to His Beauty. Edited October 26, 2004 by popestpiusx
popestpiusx Posted October 26, 2004 Posted October 26, 2004 By the way, thanks for the clarification. I hope my misunderstanding did not upset?
BLAZEr Posted October 26, 2004 Posted October 26, 2004 Pizza and beer mass at the Newman Center down the road . . :twisted: just kidding!!
Theoketos Posted October 26, 2004 Posted October 26, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Oct 25 2004, 11:31 PM'] False statement. Beauty is objective. Why? Beacause God, who is [b]The Beautiful[/b] is the standard and all things are more or less beautiful depending on how close they are to or how much they participate in, to His Beauty. [/quote] God's objective beauty is only analogous (similar) and not univocal (totally differing) or equivocal (totally the same) to man's subjective beauty. The attribute is only beautiful in as much as it is subject to God... .. which I might add in each person hood is unique, but is for the same end every time, and that is the communion with the triune God.
qfnol31 Posted October 26, 2004 Posted October 26, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Oct 25 2004, 11:31 PM'] False statement. Beauty is objective. Why? Beacause God, who is [b]The Beautiful[/b] is the standard and all things are more or less beautiful depending on how close they are to or how much they participate in, to His Beauty. [/quote] Actually, there is an objective reality behind what is beautiful, but I doubt the damned will think God as beautiful for they can't understand him.
Theoketos Posted October 26, 2004 Posted October 26, 2004 I think that we are all in agreement, Beauty is Objective, but we are subjected to and thus understand in different ways, for example the damned will not understand or comprehend God as beautiful truth perfection, even though God is. Btw PSPX aren't you supposed to be offline? Not that I don't apperciate, ...actually I love reading... what you have to say, but go do what you need to do...
Apotheoun Posted October 26, 2004 Posted October 26, 2004 I've been to all three, but I prefer the Byzantine Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom and St. Basil.
BeenaBobba Posted October 26, 2004 Author Posted October 26, 2004 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Oct 26 2004, 04:48 AM'] I've been to all three, but I prefer the Byzantine Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom and St. Basil. [/quote] Spoken like a true Eastern Catholic! Hey, is there much of a difference between the DL of St. John and that of St. Basil? God bless, Jen
DemonSlayer Posted October 27, 2004 Posted October 27, 2004 I guess I prefer the novus ordo, but I've never been to a latin Mass.
popestpiusx Posted October 27, 2004 Posted October 27, 2004 [quote name='Theoketos' date='Oct 26 2004, 12:57 AM'] Btw PSPX aren't you supposed to be offline? Not that I don't apperciate, ...actually I love reading... what you have to say, but go do what you need to do... [/quote] Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa... Thanks for the reminder. Stay on my butt, if you don't mind. It helps.
little_angel202 Posted October 27, 2004 Posted October 27, 2004 latin mass definatly but i've never been to a DL i'd love to does anyone know if there are any churches in england that celbrate the DL?
popestpiusx Posted October 27, 2004 Posted October 27, 2004 [url="http://www.bzcathlinks.org.uk/cgi-bin/links/ilink.cgi?Category=Directory%3Aliturgies%20-%20England%20-%20outside%20London"]http://www.bzcathlinks.org.uk/cgi-bin/link...utside%20London[/url] [url="http://www.bzcathlinks.org.uk/cgi-bin/links/ilink.cgi?Category=Directory%3Aliturgies%20-%20London"]http://www.bzcathlinks.org.uk/cgi-bin/link...es%20-%20London[/url]
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